Post Sept 23rd Thoughts | Two Encouraging Videos
Here are the two latest videos from Adam at Parable of the Vineyard and Paul from the Zeus Mossbender Channel. Listen to there encouraging and hopeful thoughts on the 24th and beyond...
September 23 2017 Come and gone. Noah and the 7 days pattern: (4 minutes)
New World... But No Order: (24 minutes)
September 23 2017 Come and gone. Noah and the 7 days pattern: (4 minutes)
New World... But No Order: (24 minutes)
Nothing in the Revelation 12:1-5 passage necessarily REQUIRES instantaneous fulfillment of all the aspects mentioned in that passage, as we Westerners with "instant coffee," and "fast food" are culturally influenced to think.
ReplyDeleteLet's think about this, removing presuppositions, and just look at what the Revelation 12:1-5 is saying and not saying:
Revelation 12:1 "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THIS WAS INDEED FULFILLED ON September 23/24.
Revelation 12:2 "She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth."
I was present for the birth of our sons, and labor occurred over several days with some of our sons--SO SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT LABOR IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED ON THE SAME DAY OF THE GREAT SIGN.
Revelation 12:3 "And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems."
Here we have yet another event, AND SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT THIS SECOND SIGN OCCURS ON THE SAME DAY OF THE "GREAT SIGN." But the encouraging fact is that this sequence of events is now started, meaning that the rapture is coming soon.
Revelation 12:4 "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."
It is very possible that this next event could take more than one day to occur, or occurs on a subsequent day sequentially, SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT THIS THE DRAGON'S TAIL SWEEPS A THIRD OF STARS ON THE SAME DAY OF THE "GREAT SIGN," but this could be very soon because it is next in the sequence of events!
Revelation 12:5 "She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,"
Now this is the event we are waiting for--with blessed hope! But SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT THE WOMAN GAVE BIRTH ON THE SAME DAY OF THE "GREAT SIGN," but only apparently AFTER the second sign and AFTER dragon's predicted actions.
So the very text of Revelation 12:1-5 could very well be like the welcomed sign on a highway that our home town is "5 miles ahead." We're getting VERY CLOSE. God never promised that the Great Sign and subsequent events are all going to happen the SAME DAY, but that the sign signals that this sequence of events has been triggered.
SO, it is NOT a "fudge factor" (as some think) to consider the possibility, for example, that "as in the days of Noah" that Noah entered the ark 7 days BEFORE RAIN, or that Leviticus 25:8-9 may appropriately tell us that the Apostle Paul's "last trump" teaching for the rapture is going to be on the Day of Atonement (even though we don't know exactly if this is a Jubilee year, but God would certainly know). Both the Noah model and the Leviticus 25:8-9 model would anticipate that the "Great Sign" was a 7 day advanced notice.
SO, let's carefully separate [1] what Scripture ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLY states from [2] our imposed added hypotheses or presuppositions or theological theories that are not part of Scripture. If we do make this careful distinction, and if the astronomy software users are correct that the alignment uniquely occurred yesterday and today (NOTE: the "great sign" was apparently on 2-days itself--not just one day), then the great news is that the Revelation 12:1-5 sequence of events is NOW triggered, so the sequential events are absolutely going to happen over a Scriptually-undefined number of days.
Professor Al, Ph.D., Th.D., Bible professor on an undisclosed unreached mission field
Amazing thesis! I pray you are right!
DeleteYou should post this as a new thread over at the unsealed.org forum.
DeleteSo, the great sign in the heavens occurred on the 23rd. If this is the final Jubilee(and a great Jubilee 50th) then trumpets will sound 7 days later (Sept 30). (Every 50th year in Israel was the “Year of Jubilee” when all the land was to be restored to the original owner; all debts were to be cancelled; and all slaves were set free. It was the year of release and deliverance – a time for celebration and joy when families were reunited and given a fresh lease on life.)
DeleteLeviticus 21:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement (Sept 30) shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
In the New Testament, the symbolism of the trumpet is mentioned by Jesus. “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:30-31).
Trumpets points to the 2nd rature(tribulation saints, jew & gentile). Hence, the 1st rature doesn't pertain.
1 Thessalonians 4:16: “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.”
This is not a man-made trumpet (trumpet of God.)
August 21 eclipse(Jonah sign given to wicked generation) 40 day day warning to Sept 30.
Sept 9 Jupiter born out of virgo = 21 days to Sept 30, (fulfilling the 21 days of Daniel.)
Sept 23 = 7 days to Sept 30 (Noah went into the ark and the flood came 7 days later.)
11th of Tishrei (not a feast day) begins Sept 30th 6pm on Jewish calendar.
Historical biblical events for this day:
Work on the Tent of Meeting is begun.
First judicial session is held.
Moshe(Moses/picture of Jesus) judged the people.
Work on our succah (wedding tent)begins.
John the Baptist first says, "Behold the Lamb of God".
Nothing biblical says the rapture happens on a feast day. But, the Holy Spirit began his work on the body with Pentecost and I'm beginning to wonder if that feast is yet complete until the head and body are joined. Just my thoughts. Susanne
Aren’t we overcomplicating things a bit here? In my opinion Rev 12:1-2 has been absolutely fulfilled by the alignment yesterday and today. Jupiter left Virgo by now I assume. Also, the Dragon described in the next verses has been there too represented by the constellation Draco right at the feet of Virgo. Then, applying a bit of pause the Apostle John makes a brief description of Satan and the AC-empire. When he mentions the third of the starts… if I remember that correctly, Satan made the third of the angels rebel against God. I think so that the *third of the starts* are representing the fallen angels who’ll be cast down with Satan from Heaven! If we pay careful attention we’ll notice that the Apostle John is jumping among the topics, Rev 12 is not strictly chronological. After giving a brief description of Satan and the beast empire he turns back to the topic of the woman (representing Israel) giving birth to the Church/Christ who is snatched up to the throne of God. Then the apostle follows with jumping to the description of the middle of the tribulation period.
DeleteProf Dr - agree with you, and we have been stating this for a while. Rev12 seems to follow a very chronological order, and should be read this way. I agree - we have seen the sign, and now the start of the labour pains should theoretically take place (if not already). The difference is I believe this should take place over the next few years as tribulation starts, with the rapture prior to the 'time of Jacobs trouble'/time of the wrath of the Lamb. Keep looking up people but don't get discouraged.
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DeleteThrough and Through,
Delete"we have been stating this for a while ...Rev 12 seems to follow a very chronological order, and should be read this way." Respectfully disagree, I don't think there's a consensus on that. Opinions of interpretation differ (in this case too).
Nora - sorry, wasnt referring to everyone (which is why I didnt say 'everyone has been saying').
DeleteRev 12:6 says the 1260 Day Great Tribulation is starting; not the Rapture
ReplyDeleteThank you Brad and Adam! Hold fast, rev3:3
ReplyDelete@ProfDr - dear friend please note that the "Rev12-sign theory" about possible rapture date is/was tightly tied to the observation of biblical Feast day patterns in Jewish and church history. Therefore, everybody took into account the fulfillment of FoT by the rapture/resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:52) at the "last trump" of the Feast in 2017 on the day exact. Because just all the spring feasts were fulfilled the same exact.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with you that in fact only Rev12:1 has been fulfilled in the sky. But according to practical experience in biblical history and Matthew 6:10 the meaning of Rev12:1-5 does correspond to some physical action on earth just a short period of time after (or at the same time). Therefore the alignment can now be seen as some kind of "trigger" to further events that are surely to come to pass soon. If God gives a sign of high importance as this one He will surely not wait another 10-20 years to set the rest of it in action. If you check out YouTube channels "world if signs" or "Expitaly" you might understand what I mean by this... MARANATHA! :)
Think about this guys. If we get to witness the sign of the dragon before the rapture, then God will be giving us even more awesome confirmation of his soon return, which will in turn allow for the gospel to be spread with even more urgency and potentially more effectiveness. =)
ReplyDeleteI have been considering the discussion on the ‘day of atonement’ rapture theory as it relates to the 7/8 days of the mother being unclean and 8th day circumcision of the child (and therefore, a possible Sept 30 rapture to add to the 7 days in the boat discussion). Barry Scarborough and others have touched on Luke 2. I don’t want to replicate the discussion, but want to add to it from personal study. Apologies if this has been picked up by others, as I have not had time to read everyones personal study on it (and Numbers 8 as well).
ReplyDeleteSome of the below may be ‘stretching’ scripture a little too much, and I don’t want to be seen to be doing so, but just trying to contribute to the discussion for the next or so days on the subject.
Luke 2:21 – on the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus…’
- Question: is there a name that we will receive only upon entrance into heaven. The answer is yes, we will be given (as the bride of Christ) a secret name. Rev 2:17 “to the one who is victorious…I will give that person a white stone, and on the stone will be engraved a new name”. Note that Jesus name was not officially given to him by the father (Joseph) until the 8th day.
Luke 2: 22 – Barry Scarborough notes the implications of being ‘presented to the Lord’ in association with the 8th day circumcision. It is important to note the references to ‘circumcision’ in the OT in reference to Gods covenant relationship with Israel. Note that although only Israel was unique with regard to the covenant relationship, it is interesting to note that, should we be taken up on the 8th day post 23 Sept, it would again be God fully turning his attention back to Israel, a sign of God not forgetting the covenant relationship with Israel, and my goodness, what a sign to Israel (of the original circumcision covenant) it would be!
The other curious thing about circumcision is that it is a removal of the ‘flesh’. In Colossians 2: 11 we read “and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ”. Again – could this also be a dual reference to being born again, and being “rev12 born again and circumcised” etc, particularly putting off this earthly body, and finally getting to wear our incorruptible one!
Luke 2: 22 – Jesus had to be presented to the Temple, his FIRST visit to the Temple of God. Note that the Church is the Temple of God, and while there is no physical temple in heaven per se, “the Lord God Almighty and the Lamp are its temple”. (Rev 21:22), so as we are snatched up to heaven, we make our first entrance into the heavenly Temple, which is the Father and the Lamb.
Barry has already gone through Luke 2:34 “and to be a sign that will be spoken against”, so I wont repeat that here.
Luke 2:29 vs Revelation 1:
- Simeon said “Now let depart the bond-servant of you, Lord, according to the word of you, in peace”
- Jesus gave his revelation to his ‘bond-servants’ in Rev 1. Could Simeons prophesy be a dual prophesy of him and us ‘depart’(ing) in peace at the time of the 8 day circumcision.
- The tribe of Simeon was actually inside the tribe of Judah in the OT, although nothing else nice could be said about the tribe itself
Anyway, some thoughts on the Sept 30 rapture concept, a little unusual considering I am a pre-wrather:)
Ryan
Hi! I just did a little study on the Jubilee rapture theory and the Lord pointed out some amazing stuff! Let me know what you think. :) https://youtu.be/As8UlQ9xSUc
Deletewow your Leviticus 27:24 comment was awesome!! Need to put out a 'summarised' youtube with all the main comments from the Barry's, watchmen watchers of this year, post comments and your revelation. A few more days and we will find out:)
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Jazzy - I also love one of the the preceding verses (vs 21) "When the field is released in the Jubilee, it will become holy, like a field devoted to the LORD; it will become priestly property". Our great high priest will take possession of his Holy (set apart) people. While we have already been made holy in our spirit (through his holiness), our flesh is corrupt.
Delete1 Corinthians 3:23 and you "belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God" - we became (and will fully become) his property.
and sticking with the theme...Rev 14:3 "And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth". The word 'purchased' can also mean redeemed (according to lexicon). Now come to Lev 25:52 "and if few years remain until the year of jubilee, he shall so calculate with him. In proportion to his years he is to refund the amount for his redemption."
DeleteNow we know that we have already been fully redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, and we are made clean. But if the body of Christ (which you note as the 'field') was to be corporately redeemed, then it would be in the year that we wouldn't (or couldn't) make payment ourselves...being a Jubilee year of course.
Through and Through,
DeleteThat's very interesting and thought-provoking!
Jazzy Siebert,
DeleteThanks for sharing your video, it's greatly encouraging! :--)
Daniel Matson's new article on the subject of a possible *Day of Atonement Jubilee* Rapture:
ReplyDeletehttp://watchfortheday.org/greattrump.html
These are great videos and great responses, but I'm a little confused about the circumcision in Luke 2:21-22 because it sounds crystal clear that at the eighth day Jesus was circumcised, but Mary had to go through an additional 33 days of purification before they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord based on Leviticus 12:4 . So if it doesn't happen on the Day of Atonement, could it be 33 days after that? Or is the 33 days of purification just for the mother and not the child? I'm a little confused about who is pure when.
ReplyDelete"And when the time came for their purification according to the Law of Moses, they brought him up to Jerusalem sto present him to the Lord." (Luke 2:22) Yes, it seems so that "THEIR purification" refers to the additional 33 days. Well, we'll see what will happen this coming weekend.
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