2 Video Responses To Jan Markell and Co.
I know many of you are following the discussion going on after Jan Markell, Jack Hibbs and Billy Crone once again tried to pop the supposed Rev12 Sign bubble... They failed miserably and there has been a huge outpouring of amazingly insightful comments on those two posts which you need to catch up on.... But the purpose of this post is to also make you aware of two videos by a couple of very dear watchmen discussing this topic. These men will greatly encourage you and increase your resolve that these signs are not to be dismissed.
Listen to these men of God... you are not alone in your angst, but take heart, this too is a part of God's magnificent plan!
If you missed the previous articles, catch up here:
1 Corinthians 1:27
Luke 21:25
If you missed the previous articles, catch up here:
- Jan Markell and Jack Hibbs Address Revelation 12 (51 Comments)
- Personal Thoughts On Jan Markell's Program Yesterday (58 Comments)
1. Barry Scarbrough (33 Minutes)
Key Bible Verse:1 Corinthians 1:27
"But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;"
2. Paul from Zeus Mossbender (19 Minutes)
Key Bible Verse:Luke 21:25
"And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars..."
Both excellent and the boldness needed! May we all grab hold of the reality of the hour and speak boldly! The King is coming!
ReplyDeleteOK something's been bothering me and at the risk of being attacked, here's why. I am an ardent pre-trib watcher which is how I came across sites like this and Unsealed, Scottie Clark, Zeus, Barry Scarborough, Parable of the Vineyard, et.al. At first it was exciting to find so many people talking about the Rev. 12 sign . But lately it seems like an echo chamber. The same group of people reference each other constantly - you post their article, they post yours, etc., etc. Everyone talks about how God bypassed the famous preachers and prophecy experts and revealed it to the humble little guys. I'm not sure how long you can claim to be humble, foolish, and nobody when you keep insisting you are part of the most select group of Christians on earth and won't stop talking about yourselves!
ReplyDeleteThe relentless swipes at "mega preachers" calling them "clowns" , presuming to know what's in their hearts, saying they aren't preaching about Rev. 12 because they have too much to lose monetarily - how do you know this? Shouldn't there be more respect for older brothers and sisters in the faith even if we don't agree with everything they do ...especially when they are, as Barry said, bringing lots of people to Christ? The Apostle Paul said "A little knowledge puffs up." I think some of you guys are gettin' a little puffy. I think you should stick to the message you believe God gave you, stop talking badly about others and please stop talking about each other all the time. (And please don't make me spend a half hour watching Barry scratch himself again.)
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DeleteHi Kathy. First off, thank you so much for commenting!! I so appreciate you sharing these concerns and understand your viewpoint! Your point about puffing up is something that I have been aware of from the moment this site began. Pride is a dangerous thing and I will let each person making videos, writing articles, reading info, or commenting examine their own hearts... myself included. Please pray for all of us.
DeleteAs far as the guys in the videos, all I can say is from my personal interactions and from watching their work, humbleness is one of their greatest characteristics. Perhaps a larger sample size will reveal that to you, but I have the benefit of an extended period of interaction with Paul...somewhat less with Barry. From all I can tell, both men love Jesus deeply and have a desire to see people wake up to the lateness of the hour and their need for our precious savior Jesus.
As far as the debunking and the mega preachers... this is something I wrestle with. I actually stopped addressing every debunking article as this entire site has become evidence for the legitimacy of this sign. Many wish I would "put each debunker in their place" but I have arrived at a place now which finds that less critical. The Jan Markell podcast was and exception and you are right, much attention has been devoted to it in the last few days. Part of this is because I have so much respect for her and Jack. I was hoping that there would be something new...perhaps they could point out why we are wrong! That would be an answer to prayer for many of us. The last thing we want to do is lead anyone astray. But the fact that the best of the best had virtually no legitimate arguments against this sign only adds credibility in my view. In debunking it so poorly (again) they only serve to confirm the sign. It is amazing how God does that, isn't it?
Anyway, I don't know if this helps, but the people I known best in all this... Adam, Gary, Jeff, etc...these are genuine guys who love the Lord and desire to see people SAVED. These are amazing fellows. The fact we share each other info is a way to support each other and get the word out. This is a team effort.... and that team his growing. So many people have contributed.... PDF Compilations, Poems, Paintings, Videos, Gospel Tracts, all from people from across the country and the world.... People who are filling the void created by the bigger name ministries who are ignoring or unfairly addressing the sign. But that is how God has chosen to do it. I don't know why.... It would have been munch easier if Jack Hibbs, Skip Heitzig Greg Laurie and Colin Smith all got together 9 months ago and put together a traveling tour with to cross the land. But God choose to use fewer people with humble resources to do it.... why? So he would get the glory. Shame on anyone who would try to give themselves the glory. This sign was revealed by God along... made by God alone, and should point to God alone. We are simply tools trying to chisel away at hard hearts so that the message of the this great sign may shine in this dark world.
God Bless you Sister. Again, your comments or rebuke are welcome anytime. None of us are perfect, but with Christ we can overcome our sinful nature to be sure. Grace to you and Maranatha!
I follow closely the updates on Unsealed, Parable, Barry, etc, etc. First of all, by far, compared to some other Youtube channels and websites, guys here do exhibit a lot more humility and circumspection and stick closely to the Word. That's why I keep coming back. Having said that, I would just like to share a little different perspective. It is something I thought about a lot, especially whenever guys here rant about why the big names and other preachers are not preaching the same, etc, etc. I thought about what my pastor would do. I thought about what I would do if I were in the same position, vs me being myself, just a 'laity'. Firstly, I do think we have to remember that God is not preaching one uniform message at any one time. I do not think in any part of church history do we see the entire church body preaching about the same thing - not counting the overall Gospel message of course. I think it is because there is a role for every one. Perhaps one congregation needs a certain message more at this point in time due to certain challenges that congregation is facing. Another may need something else. We need to trust that these shepherds of the individual congregations are seeking the Lord for the message He has for their flocks. Otherwise, we are basically saying as long as they are not saying the same thing we are saying, they are not seeking the Lord. Secondly, I thought about what I would do if I pastor a congregation and let's say I do have some wide reaching influence. I thought about it a lot. You know what? I think I would just go on preaching about God's love, Jesus' work on the Cross, justification by faith, basically the gospel. In fact, I would preach it with greater urgency knowing the day is near. Why? Because ultimately, I believe it is the gospel that saves, not scary messages. I have been on the receiving end of the 'believer in Jesus and you will go to heaven, or else you will go to hell' message. I know it does not work. I will preach about the Rapture and the blessed hope for sure. But my primary focus will still be on the gospel. Perhaps there will be another congregation, another group of audience who are 'ripe' for a 'repent now or else' message. That's where folks like you guys come in. All in all, we must remember that we are not all the eye, or the foot, or the hand.
DeleteAs for those that actually come against the Rev 12 Sign, well, no need to be riled up about it. In the end, we are all accountable to God, more so preachers and teachers. People are not stupid. I believe we need to believe that people will be able to judge for themselves whether this sign is valid or not. If God can bring people to sites like this to find out information, what makes us think He won't stir the hearts of even those who listen to the debunkers to find out for themselves?
Claire.
The other thing I would like to share is this. It is really personal and I am not saying I am right. Hopefully you guys understand. After I learned about the Rev 12 Sign and all the info shared here and other sites and channels, instead of going around telling every soul I met about it, it actually made me more 'conservative?' about what I say about what is coming. I don't know why. For sure, I prayed for unsaved loved ones more urgently than every and pray that there will be an open door for me to share the gospel with them. But I hold this sign thing a lot more closer to my heart. It is like a personal message from the Lord to His bride. I take it very seriously and I am watching very closely. "The Time is Near" is a message that is meaningful to the bride but not so much the world at large. I am not sure if I am making any sense here. You may think that I am not doing what a 'watchman' should be doing by sounding the alarm. Perhaps it is not my 'ministry' or 'calling'. No outward action does not = no action. For me, I pray, as I said. I watch. I share with fellow believers who are interested to know. It is not a salvation issue as for as believers are concerned. If I ever meet a non-believer and the Lord opens the door for me to share, I would share Jesus and what He has done on the cross first. I cannot remember who was it who said something along the line of 'you cannot argue someone into the kingdom cos that person can also be argued out of the kingdom'. So what if I share about judgement coming and all the Revelation bowls and trumpets and all that? I may get the person scared enough to give his life to Jesus, but as soon as Sep 24 comes (assuming nothing happens), he is going to go back to his old ways, I think!
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AMEN to that, Claire!
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DeleteClaire dear sister you nailed it, same to me TY! After all we're called to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3) which includes the very apparent meaning of Rev12-sign to the church as an official divine announcement of the LORDs return which is of mega importance indeed. But we always know that any man can die in his sins before that happens and thus the gospel message always has priority to the world. Nevertheless, the purpose of this website is IMHO to be an information source and meeting point for the assembly of Christ according to Malachi 3:16 and not so much a broad gospel / evangelisation ministry as there are many others around but few that are covering this special issue. Much love, stay blessed, seeya soon! :)
DeleteYou're spot on Kathy, thank you! Scott Clarke lowly and humble? Hardly.
DeleteI haven't picked up on an arrogance theme, but maybe I'm missing something. I have picked up on an arrogance theme from the people I respect, that I thought would at least investigate this sign. The people that think this alignment is a sign from God have been labeled and maligned (comparing us to antifa, Joseph Goebels, etc). I think bunker mentality can take over when the main stream seeks to minimize you, which has happened multiple times when this sign has been "discussed". For his part, Ron Matson did at least offer a follow up: I think it's odd that you comment about people disparaging the main stream presenters, and then Barry is tag teamed on this post....remove the log. Anyway, I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that I haven't encountered the prideful attitude that you both express. I feel like the sites are expoaitional in nature, and they allow me to build my own opinion. Anyway, regardless of there are divisions or not, o think we all be together soon enough, and none of this will matter. Blessings
ReplyDeleteThanks Lance. Blessings brother.
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DeleteI have not seen any arrogance from any of the Rev12 Gang. I think it's great that they support eachother's work and appear to be friends outside of their respective sites. They are catching a lot of flack from other believes for what they're doing. They have blessed a lot of us by sharing with us all we can learn from this sign.
ReplyDeleteAdmin- just a heads up- the Zeus Mossbender is HIGHLY attached to the doctrine of imminence. Basically saying that the rapture fulfilling and occurring during the Feast of Trumpets is sheer hogwash and give Satan "too much time" whereas Revelation says he has but a short time. Just thought I'd share that with you. Have watched multiple videos on that channel and that is their stance.
ReplyDeleteI know that Austin, thanks! I am just sharing info I think is relevant, not trying to push a specific viewpoint. You are free to make up your own mind on these matters..... As I have said repeatedly, it would make TONS of sense if the rapture happened on the feast, but for me, there is a chance that this sign is just pointing to the nearness of the event and it could actually happen after it, or maybe even before it! We shall soon see. Thanks!!
DeleteHi, dear Friends - I would like to comment on here about all of this as well - thank you for that opportunity! I see in many of the men (watchmen) listed above and on this site a deep love for Jesus and the Word, and great humility. At the same time, I see in some others how things can come across as puffed up, as Kathy mentioned if we are not careful. Sometimes, we get so excited about all of this (rightly so) that we can come across that way, not even meaning to. Whereas other times, maybe we ARE becoming a bit puffed up without realizing it and need to pray daily for humility and to REMEMBER that God gets all the glory. I do think we need to address - ALL THE MORE as we see the time drawing closer - these things that speak out against us wanting to watch for His return. However, let's continue, as time goes on, to remember that we do so NOT so much to discredit them or bash them for having a different point of view, but because we are admonished to ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER. Barry did that in his last videos - he spoke to us to encourage us, because the constant opposition and name calling (cult, really?) can make us despondent. 1 Thess 5:10, 11 tells us....."....so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you also are doing." What I am saying is this: I think we HAVE TO ADDRESS it when these things like the Jan Markell video come out because they are confusing and discouraging to the body of Christ. We have to make sure that those of us who listen to their and other viewpoints and just heard them call us cult like, or "breaking cardinal rules" hear the encouragement on the other end of that. Otherwise, I can see the enemy getting a major foothold in sowing seeds of bitterness and confusion and discord. If our heart in the matter is to edify one another all the time - to seek to address it, rather than solely discredit what they said (although that is appropriate to share why their case against all of it was not necessarily valid) - to make sure those who are watching the watchmen and the prophecies of the Lord in the Word aren't starting to feel depressed and downtrodden - we are encouraging one another all the more as we see these things come to fruition. THAT matters a LOT. Also, we do need to constantly be in prayer for ourselves, for the scoffers, AND for the watchmen that ARE rooted in Jesus and the scriptures - for continued humility as they address these things - not just as they must address the scoffing - but also when discussing the prophecies and the signs we are seeing. We must be careful to continue to remember that WE don't take any of the glory for what we see - for becoming more awake because we see it - for discovering information because of the increase of knowledge - but that we continue to give God the glory in every last drop of it. I guess what I am saying is that if we are indeed, moving closer and closer to the day He comes back for us - maybe this is coming up because we need to remember these things all the more!!! I so appreciate every one of you guys - your hearts and your willingness to share this information with us. And the point is - I want you to know that I feel we all have a great responsibility before us to KEEP ON PRAYING for one another and KEEP ON LOOKING UP to the One who is revealing all of this to us - it is just another gift from the Author of all Creation. I'm so grateful.
ReplyDeleteBeautifully put Annie. So thankful that we have so many people like you contributing to the discussion on all these posts. There is so much wisdom here through all of you I am truly humbled that God would choose this place (among all the billions of websites) for you guys and gals to gather. Feeling very blessed and grateful. : )
DeleteI have enjoyed Zeus' videos to this point, this one, not so much. No one truly knows 100 % what this sign points to from a timing standpoint. We are all entitled to our Holy Spirit led opinions. Not sure where all the anger is coming from. We only have 25 days to go and think spending those days with grace and lovei n our hearts if it truly is the calling home event is the way to go.
ReplyDeleteI totally understand to a certain point.... but imagine this analogy for a second.
DeleteYour true love is an artist. They paint you a beautiful picture with layer upon layer of meaning. It is the most beautiful painting you have ever seen and it moves you to tears just thinking about the effort and planning and care that was put into creating this painting for you. Then, just as you seem to fall deeper and deeper in love with the one who painted this picture, a very prestigious group of art critics walk in. These are the best of the best, they have studied art for years. They walk in and start picking apart the painting. They say it is garbage. It is just random paint splatters, no meaning behind it. They start warning everyone in the room saying "Do not look at this painting!". Yes, they may be the 'experts', but you know the painter, and you know the paintings value and meaning....you know they are wrong. So you are mixed with a series of emotions because you want them to recognize the glory of the painter and the beauty of the painting, but you also have anger for them disparaging something so beautiful and meaningful. Their haughty attitude causes a level of anger, but in the end your attempts to get them to see fail, and you must trust that someday the true beauty will be discovered by all.
These debunkers create similar reactions in many of us... the more confident you are in the sign, I think the more it bothers you when people disparage it. But in the end you are correct... we must rely on the Holy Spirit to LOVE them, even if they seem to act like our enemies at times.
Let's all KEEP IN MIND and REMEMBER that the Lord CHOSE to have the ANNOUNCEMENT of HIS birth to SHEPARDS!! Do you guys know how those people were looked upon and regarded as?? Foolish and nobodies of those days, below minimum wage and worthless.... Why is it that the Lord does things BACKWARDS (as it "might" seem). He actually does them the right way as it was stated above so not only does He get the Glory, but His Word says "He gives grace to the humble, but He resists the proud". The Lord uses us foolish ones to "confound" the wise!! Just an amazing correlation back when He manifested Himself to mankind and it was told (and angles appeared in the sky!!) to shepards and NOT kings!!! Crazy huh??!!!!
ReplyDeleteExactly, Sam! That's BTW what made our LORD Jesus Christ so much rejoice on the wisdom of the Father (Luke 10:21)!! MARANATHA stay blessed dear brother!
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