JD Farag's Conference Tour
I know that many of you are as fond of JD Farag as I am. His humble attitude, genuine comforting nature, and longing for the Lord's return are all contagious. His weekly prophecy updates are must watch videos for thousands of us and unlike so many other pastors, he took the time to examine the Rev12 Sign closely and was very careful not to dismiss it. When September 23rd came and went, he was also one of the few pastors to come out and comforted those who had been watching so intently on that day.
As you will hear about in the video below, JD was one of the speakers at Jan Markell's Understanding the Times conference a few weeks ago. The conference was packed once again... I think I heard 7,000+ attendee's from as far away as Europe... all well aware of the lateness of the hour. In JD's latest update he talks about this conference and others he attended the last few weeks.
I was blessed to actually meet JD on Saturday morning and he even allowed me to give him a bear hug! He was absolutely great to talk with and I was able to give him the following handout that I had prepared the night before. One of the most eye opening things this journey has shown me is how the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is so clearly described in Revelation 12:5 and most modern pastors who are experts on the Pre-Trib doctrine had no clue about it prior to this. It's kind of hard to believe considering the number of heavyweights from years past who say it clearly.
Anyway, here is the handout, feel free to download it and share it as you wish. My hope is that these quotes from these respected scholars will go much farther in penetrating hearts than my words ever could.
This is so great. Isn't it funny, how these heavyweights could see it way back then and ministers of the gospel who believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture treated us like we had 3 heads and 10 horns. Pastor JD was an absolute exception. I just love JD Farag. The thing I most appreciated during the run-up to the REV 12 sign was his heart. He said, I'm excited, I hope they're right. I see what they're saying. We don't know, but I'm ready to go.
ReplyDeleteThat is all I ever asked or expected of the others who were speakers in the conferences he attended (many of them, not all) was they listen to what we had to stay, study our evidence and seek the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures. Instead, their debunking was mean-spirited and it was absolutely clear they had no idea what was actually being posited because they picked up the same arguments as though it had come from a Political Talking Points Bulletin - We are not in The Tribulation. These people are claiming we are already half way through the Tribulation. My personal favorite - It's astrology, we have no business looking at signs in he sky. We should be studying scriptures and looking at the things scripture says - like Wars and Rumors of Wars and be afraid. Unbelievable!
I wrote Jan Markel a very nice email and explained to her my disappointment in our being misrepresented, discounted, scoffed at and labeled as wackos who would run and leave God as soon as the 23rd came if there was no Rapture. I was clear, calm and totally non-accusatory, but did state with specificity the wrong claims lodged. THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!
Nonetheless, I'm working on forgiveness. Be patient with me, God isn't finished with me yet. I hope you were able to speak to Pastor JD and bring him up to speed and assure him we're pretty good scholars and not a bunch of wackos.
Blessings - Sherry
Dear sister I found it very telling that JD Farah mentioned the "40th anniversary of Jan Markells ministry" just this year in 2017; as we know from the bible, the number 40 being the number of RIPENING... You know what I mean? ;) Blessings Dear!
DeleteAnnabel... furthermore... the video above is 40:40 in length.
DeleteSherry, JD was so gracious. I was able to speak with him a bit, but there was a line of people behind me and I wanted to respect his time. He assured me he would read the note I gave him (7 scholars) and I was also able to hand him another not from a friend who was greatly impacted by his ministry. He was at Amir's booth and everyone was flocking to see JD! It was great to shake his hand and give him a hug... that man has encouraged me greatly and I was so thankful to meet him.
Sherry I agree with your sentiment. I too am having a hard time forgiving those "leaders" who scoffed at our sound dividing of the Word of God. The Rev. 12:1-2 Great Sign occurred! How amazing is that! Yet they don't get it and don't want to get it.
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Brad, I saw your smiling face during the Bible Prophecy Update from Hawaii on Sunday. You Did Good! Love that JD. Annabelle, in case you're wondering, I have checked my email once again and not even a jot or tittle from Jan. You did make me recall 40 is also a period of testing! Just Saying! John, I see you're still in the boat with me - working on that forgiveness thing. Honestly, I always watched Jan's videos and guest and Amir's updates and truly I did learn from them, now I just have no stomach for it - sorry. If they could be so mean-spirited, ungracious and lacking in discernment to see the importance of the Sign then I am not sure that's a trough I want to eat from. Right now I'm pretty sure it's not, but I am open to the Holy Spirit's prompting. Again - He's not finished with me yet.
DeleteBlessings to All my study partners and Friends - Sherry
Jan has read this site in the past I know. And she actually left a comment last week... its at the bottom.
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Sherry, your honest and sweet spirit are compelling; you are a good ambassador for the truly watching. Your witness is true. Maranatha!
ReplyDelete2nd that! I wish more would pay attention to those trying to witness on what is definitely still this side of the tribulation. When those other two start their witnessing, there will be no question about whether the trib has begun and no amount of pancake buckets or solar generators are gonna help for long. I wanna be and am gonna be gone from here before then. Blessings!
DeleteBy the grace of God alone I will add.
DeleteI can't tell you how encouraging it is for me personally read your comments guys. This is such an awkward time for me.... and I am so encouraged knowing that others are in the same boat... fully aware of what we saw and how close we could be, but also unsure about how long we have left. It seems like we are in limbo. I feel like a poor sheep on board the ark at times, waiting for the rain to start, not knowing how long it will be or how bumpy the ride will get. Just sitting, waiting... knowing I am ultimately safe but not sure what to expect next....
DeleteGreat analogy, Brad. That's exactly how I feel, and it seems most feel that way also.
DeleteI try to be patient, but sometimes I want to yell out, "Are we there yet??!" LoL.
LIMBO... Yes Brad this is the exact word for it. I have experienced it once before --- a little girl being terminally ill from leukemia, God used her and my son who both showed Gods love to me and my hsb to pull us to Christ 12 years ago... It's a horrible time if you don't know Jesus yet. But now it has changed into certain anticipation: to meet Jesus and to see her again, finally, forever! :))
DeleteJimboni I always love your posts. They never fail to delight and make me head down new paths of discovery. Sheila B, Brad & Mark - I promise, I feel like the little kid in the back seat bouncing up and down yelling, "Are we there yet", "Are we there yet". I know He has unlimited patience for if He did not he'd have thrown me out of the care a long time ago. Annabel, my sainted Daddy is waiting there for me and I cannot tell you the anticipation I have for the day I shall see him in the air. God used my "giving him up" to introduce me to the Holy Spirit infilling in power - I offered him up in my hands (for I had held him so closely since he died when I was 14 he had become an idol to me) and when I held my hands up with a picture in my mind of my Daddy standing in my hands the sky parted, the most brilliant light I have ever seen came and scooped him right out of my hands and fire and water began to run. Fire ran up and down my body for nearly 24 hours and I could feel it and see it. Water ran from my belly for almost 24 hours and I could hear it, feel it and see it. Only this year did I figure out that was Yahweh showing me "my offering" had been accepted. Mississippi Southern Baptist born and bred, I had no idea what had just happened to me. I had to search the scripture to figure it out. I did not deserve it, but what a fabulous gift of knowing - Just How Very Much We Are Loved - When We Deserve Absolutely Nothing - Yet Still He loves Us. Abba Father, I praise your Holy Name -
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Thanks for sharing, Sherry. What a powerful testimony!!! Just amazing! Praise Jesus!! And you are so right about how we deserve nothing.... yet He loves us anyway. That is true love. It's a shame I don't live with that unconditional love in the front of my mind each and every minute of the day.... we fall so short, but as you said so beautifully... Yet Still He loves Us. That helps me. Thank you Sherry.
Deleteyou're very welcome, Joel. God Bless you.
ReplyDeletePersonally I am always cautious with men "seeking the honour from another" = John 5:44 at bible conferences (of any kind!) but I can understand brother JDs excitement to meet some of the "prophecy brethren" in person. But I don't like them taking honour from another or boasting with their poor MD or PhD academic degrees - as we have now learned these are today the most bible criticism experts who even don't take the rapture literal now!
ReplyDeleteBut I like JDs funny humour very much, very encouraging. I like it when Christianity is not identified with sourness (which is often the case with legalistic persons). I loved the story with the cancelled flights; God is so funny too... MARANATHA!
Oh yes and the flights for JD being cancelled because of hurricane 'Nate' is a great analogy too if digging deeper into it: as 9/23 and every Feast date went by its like every 'flight' (rapture date) being cancelled; and then, when talking to the 'unknown brother' (Jesus) on the phone about the final impossibility of finding a way to 'be picked up half way' (in the air) there is a seat cancelled (place prepared for us) at last minute!! So much telling! :))
DeleteGood insight, Annabel!
DeleteI wonder if those thoughts crossed JD's mind as he went through all that.
Great insight Annabel. I don't know how I missed your post earlier, but what an eye, perfect parallels. Love it.
DeleteBlessings - Sherry
Pastor JD is one class act! I too loved his grasp of the Great Sign of Revelation 12. He was very respectful and even though I don't think he was "on board" with the idea he was open and accepting to its possibility. I really wish that the "watchers" could go back in time and correct our message to stress that the Great Sign of Rev 12 was a sign to a future event (Revelation 12: 3-5).
ReplyDeleteBrad your pdf of the 7 Respected Scholars is a fantastic piece of work!
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Thanks John...appreciate that. It was really just a cut and paste exercise from a the articles Gary and I did earlier in the year. I wanted it to look nice though so they would actually read it. We shall see if they do... the Holy Spirit may prompt them to do so....He certainly opened the doors for me to pass the info along. I felt like the truth was/is on our side regarding this topic regardless, but having so many scholars from long ago back us up was very encouraging. They can deny us nobodies... but it isn't quite as easy when you through, Henry, Darby, Ironside, Stedman, etc in the mix.
DeletePicking up on being in LIMBO, allow me to put a little spin on that one. It is one of our Lord's highest bestowable honors for Him to allow us to SEE NOW what we have seen (Jas 1:2-4) , Knowing, as He Does, the True chronology & Choreography at hand and the challenge of waiting after The Sign. We are now within His Trust of us to properly conduct ourselves and continue to carry and deliver His Messages for all in THESE times, specifically, and He has special honors planned for those who do so (Jn 20:29). Praise Him for not providing anything which would diminish the witness of our FAITH in these times, of all times, amen. Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteAs always - deep insight. Very encouraging to look at it from that standpoint. I'll do my best not to beg!
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Sherry, thank you but His, not mine. Once when in prayer about a 'confirmation', a dream, a thought, a random bird on my shoulder for no reason, I don't know, I felt Him sharing with me His desire that I trust Him without such a 'sign'. As I unpacked this in conversation with Him, He brought me to a place of understanding that He was asking me if I REALLY wanted to forego some of the blessings He was planning and, instead, invest that energy into the confirmation I was requesting? I thought the better of it, appreciated the insight & accepted our time together as enough, we both smiled, and now I am simply sharing the idea that we understand that HE is sufficient, HE is trustworthy, HE is never late & HE knows how challenging this is right now and we will be honored, BY HIM, for hanging in there and showing the world it is HIM in whom we BELIEVE and NOTHING else. Give that up for 'confirmation'? NOT! Maranatha!
DeleteOh, how thrilling! What a wise choice you made. I can think of nothing I desire more than to sit at His feet and listen.
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Last night in prayer, I just happened to tell the Lord that this is starting to feel like a bit like being in "limbo". He impressed upon me to look that word up,
ReplyDeleteNope. No way are we in limbo. At least not according to the World Book Dictionary.
Where I think we all are is at the GATE of Heaven and we're all listening for and hearing the jingling of those keys from the other side that tells us that Gate is about to open. But the One with the keys is watching His timepiece closely for that exact moment to unlock it and welcome us Home. He knows how high our anticipation is and I fully believe that He is smiling as that heavenly second hand is on it's last go around. And I think 40 may well be the key. Be seein' ya'll soon.
Dear sister I looked it up too: Limbo / Cambridge dictionary so as far as you don't mean the dance I think the word fits perfectly. Except for the fact that it just SEEMS to us there is no progress or improvement. But behind the scenes there is. Currently, we're approaching Rev12:4 by witnessing more and more meteor showers and hazardous asteroids coming towards earth (counted 117!! entering atmosphere and 1847!! passing visible on 10/24-25 news on spaceweather.com)
DeleteSo yes in fact we're being picked up soon (verse 5 = rapture of male child) when arriving at verse 4 now. But the FEELING is still "limbo" - until we get the chance to dance it in Heaven LOL! MARANATHA much love Sis :)
I like the idea of dancing across of heaven, but here's where I was coming from and granted, my dictionary is old, from 1967 in fact...back when encyclopedia sets were sold door to door but here's what it says:
Deletelimbo 1. Often a place on the border of hell for unbaptized infants (In Roman Catholic theology), and for the righteous who died before the coming of Christ and others who have not received His grace while living, but do not deserve the punishment of willful or impenitent sinners.
2. A place for people and things forgotten, cast aside, or outdated.
3. Prison, jail, or confinement.
4. A West Indian Calypso dance performed with dazzling gyrations and supple bodies bending backwards to move under a low flaming pole without touching the fire.
So you can see where I was like nope...uh-uh. Not going there. The only place I want to be is on the edge of my seat, and like you, looking at everything
that sounds like a jingling key. I have always been amazed by the power of words but never more so than those from the Word, Himself. My favorite all time passage of Scripture is
John1:1-5. That was the one that wrote exactly who Yeshua is on my heart forever. Bless you much and maybe when we get there we can all dance the Hora:-)
Oh, and I was looking at Spaceweather.com yesterday thinking, yep, somebody's slinging some fiery darts our way. I saw one streak across the sky the other night, I think part of the Orionid showers going on.
DeletePretty to look at from a distance. Maranatha Sister!
Steven Sewell (At Heavenly Sign 2017) proposed a new tribulation timeline from the 21st of May 2018 (Pentecost) to the 14th of May 2025 (Israel’s 77th birthday). Since Jesus should fulfill all the Fall Feasts in His Second Coming, I don’t really understand why Steven Sewell (seemingly) overlooked that. As for now, I can’t imagine a “Spring Return” of Christ at His Second Coming. He fulfilled all the Spring Feasts precisely on the exact days (and in the exact hours), so my logic tells me that this should happen with the Fall Feasts at His Second Coming. Sorry for this slightly off topic comment but I’m curious what the brethren think about that here. I should add that he also proposed a timeline from the 1st of October 2018 (Solemn Assembly) to the 23rd of September 2025 (Trumpets), but he thinks the “spring timeline” is more likely. (All is explained in his newest video on his youtube channel.) In case the 2018 fall season turns out to be the time of the rapture, I don’t know where to put the next big solar eclipse’s significance in 2024 which will be 7 years from our current year. I still have very strong hopes for 2017.
ReplyDeleteNora, here are my thoughts and I assure you these and $4.00 will get you a cup of coffee (boy that's sad). First of all, I have a strong leaning that the Rapture need not be on a feast day. If it is on a feast day, it will be only a shadow fulfillment. I believe Israel must fulfill all the feast days as a nation, just as they did when Yeshua was sacrificed, buried and rose again. Yes, the church was either born or conceived on Pentecost, yet it did so WITHIN Hebrew people (Israel). That being said, there are remarkably good arguments to be made for a Pentecost Rapture. For me, the Pentecost reasoning has always been stronger than the Feast of Trumpets reasoning, save the fulfillment of the feasts consecutively. You cannot say "No man knows the Day or the Hour" applies to the 2nd literal coming as a touch down on this earth, as I believe it does, and at the same time argue it points to the Rapture at Feast of Trumpets. You simply cannot have that one both ways and I do think many have overlooked the cross-purposes argument in this regard.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe the Body of Christ will be raptured on just any old day. We may not even be able to see it without hindsight, but the day will be filled with meaning. God is entirely too precision oriented to do so, yet for his own purposes he may have chosen to make it "not so noticeable or clear" just as he did the effect of the crucifixion. Now, we can see it so clearly, but to the Jews on the day it was entirely hidden from them, even from the disciples. Peter still didn't get it when he went to the tomb although Christ has told him in what appears in hindsight to be plain, straightforward language.
With all that out of the way, Steve has always focused on feast date alignments because of Israel during The Tribulation and I am not saying that is wrong. It could be the only way to look at it, working backward as he and Brenda Weltner did. The original was actually Brenda's timeline and she's in the midst of re-thinking some of the base-line assumptions we've all made for years on The Trib. Is she right? I don't know, but everything must be re-investigated at this point. If Steve's new timeline is correct then that throws day counts on Dan Matson's Noahic timeline out of whack, perhaps. I don't know if he's re-run them for Steve's new theory. But, so much seems unfinished yet on The Great Sign and Noahic timeline works with the theories Paul Dawson and others are showing with a Jupiter-Venus conjunction and also Vayera thinking as well. For me, I find the most peace now with looking from one Maybe it could be X (the closest possibility to today) and walking it forward. I do not see that position as being weak simply because you're not "taking a stand". I see it being led step by step unless and until we are given something absolutely clear pointing to a farther off date. I do believe this approach stays in the spirit of imminency while continuing to search and anticipate a knowing.
The solar eclipse for me, as it seemingly does for you, still points me to a 2017 date, yet unknown, but within about a 3 weeks range beginning on the 29-30th. Check out Dan Matson's short update on WatchfortheDay.org this morning for his latest thoughts on Noahic with the 500 yr anniversary of the Martin Luther Thesis and Jerusalem time difference etc.
Boy, a lot of rambling, but we have a lot of evidence to look at and analyze.
Blessings - Sherry
Thank you Sherry! I'll check Dan Matson's newest article asap! I like his studies, his take on the possible Noahic timeline was very thought provoking.
DeleteDear Sherry I agree with all you said, couldn't frame it better myself! Personally, apart from Daniel Matsons Noahic timeline I am currently watching the progress in the (supposed) chronology between Rev12:1 which was fulfilled on 9/23/17 and the rapture in verse 5. The only error in our assumptions was to suppose verse 5 to happen simultaneously to verse 1. We just overlooked the possible delay and accurate chronology from 1-5. Meanwhile, birth pangs verse 2 still get worse worldwide and the sign of the "red dragon" verse 4 and 1/3 of stars (meteor showers) verse 4 ought to be observed now. A very interesting video just recently was released here: The Leak Project interview of Gil Broussard 10/22/17 I don't agree with everything he sais because GB obviously believed in a mid-trib rapture (and the interviewer Rex Bear seems not to be a true believer anyway) but if you take your time to watch it carefully you can learn a lot about biblical events, patterns and measurements (even regarding the New Jerusalem) so it's not time wasted. Altogether, the evidence is quite compelling that we're pretty close to have Rev12:5 to be fulfilled very soon and yes I also think it will still be during 2017. Blessings to all of you!
DeleteI interpret verses 3 and 4 in the Revelation 12 chapter two ways. A., it’s the description of the “beast-system” during the time of Daniel’s 70th Week including Satan and the third of the angels who sided with him in his rebellion against the Lord. B., next to this description, it could also mean a “depiction of these events and actors by the stars”. In case we’ll see a depiction in the sky: good! In case we won’t? That’s all right with me too. A lot of things point to 2017 as a very possible year for the rapture imo. I certainly wouldn’t give up on it just yet! True, that in my case that will continue till the 31st of this December (Lord willing, we’ll still be here by then). I’m going to entertain the thought of a *2018 rapture* seriously IF/when we’ve already reached the year 2018 being still here on Earth.
DeleteDear Nora, I know what you mean. Look up in Daniel 7 (esp. verses 20+24) there you will find the adequate (political) NWO "beast system" that corresponds to the red dragon description, with 10-3=7 heads/crowns. But in Rev12 the picture points to rather natural heavenly bodies (red colour!) and the other topic of 2 Thessalonians 2 (ultimate spiritual deception = Michaels fight with Satan being cast to earth). Check out the latest video of 'Face like the sun' to get an idea... Gosh, you really don't wanna be here when this is happening! Stay safe and blessed always Dear :)
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DeleteHi Annabel,
What I meant at the end of my previous comment is the possibility that "we" aka the Church remain here on Earth until the end of 2017 and/or the possibility that we'll be still there when 2018 begins. That could only happen if the Lord doesn't rapture us this year. The thing is, it’s still a possibility. Of course I wouldn't like to remain here and I won't if the Lord raptures us this year for which I still have a very strong hope! :--)
p.s.: Thank you for the link, I'll check this channel!
Delete(p.p.s.: Agree with you, none of us would want to be there when those things will happen.)
DeleteI am not sure anyone can do a timeline, Steve included, with future feast dates and still be obedient to what the Lord commanded in Deuteronomy 16:1. "Observe the month of Abib, and keep the Passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night." For me, the setting of the year and feasts is a year by year system versus a linear system we use for days such as Thanksgiving or Christmas.
ReplyDeleteThe sign that marks the beginning of the month is the new crescent moon being first visible after sunset. The setting of the new year and the Aviv (ripening barley) is done when the barley is ready by the time of the new moon. If the barley is not ready, a 13th month is added to the previous year. This has to be accounted for in making any timelines concerning future feast dates in my opinion. My two cents for the conversation. God bless and see you in the air.
Good points! I think the problem with Steve’s point of view is that he holds too adamantly (should I say a bit rigidly) to the timeline and special count of days he created and calculated.
DeleteNora, besides the points I previously made, I see where Steve is putting the 1290 days in the beginning of his timeline. As I read Daniel 12:11, the 1290 days is in the second half of Jacob's trouble. I can't agree with placing the 1290 days in the start, as it contradicts the testimony of the scripture, as I read it. God bless.
DeleteYes, I noticed that too. I don't know the exact reason why he did that, it has something to do with the two witnesses based on what I've heard from him earlier but I didn't dig into it. However, I agree with you, we should stick to the time-schedule described in the Bible.
DeleteHere to this point my thought. I'm not sure that two witnesses come in second part of Tribulation, but what about Malachi 4:5-6? What is here "great and dreadful day of the LORD"? Whom will he "turn the heart … lest I come"? I think that it is the first half, really. (?) Probably, here also comes the 13th month? And the Jew will cirtainly count, because they must flee not in winter, not in sabbat, but when Abomination comes. It is probably need to build the Timeline. Then they would be those Jews, with heart brought by Elijah. Not sure that this Timeline must be applied to the Rapture day. I need here to think over. Thank you for these thougts. Much blessings!
DeleteAnother thought. May be here - Zeph 2:1-3? Rapture ("gather together, O nation not desired") before the decree, before the "day of the LORD'S anger", then those who "seek righteousness, seek meekness… shall be hid"? Just a thouhgt.
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DeleteHi Alla,
DeleteYes, according to what I’ve learned so far, the two witnesses appear in the first half of Daniel’s 70th Week (aka in the first half of the 7 years long tribulation period). Their identity is still debated within the Church. The 3rd Temple will also be built in the first half of the tribulation period, perhaps at the very start of it. Concerning the “great and dreadful day of the LORD”, some people interpret it as the entire 7 years long tribulation period. Others think so that it only refers to the second half of the tribulation period, which is called “the Great Tribulation”. I think the Bible verse you quoted is also refers to that second half. In the middle of this 7 years long tribulation period a significant event will happen: the “abomination of desolation” caused by the Antichrist, who indwelt by Satan, goes into the 3d Temple’s Holy of Holies and demands the whole world to worship him as their god. Also, the “image of the beast” (which will be produced under the lead of the False Prophet and which –I believe so- includes future top-technology and the supernatural demonic forces merged) will be put in the Holy of Holies for that reason. (For the whole world to worship the AC and through him Satan as their god.) In my understanding, this significant event itself will start the second half of the tribulation period which is called the great tribulation. (Daniel’s 70th Week is the name for the entire 7 years long tribulation period.)
This is a great discussion ya'll have going. And very informative from everyone. I put off looking at Steve's new theory ( and I love listening to him) because I am in no way giving up on 2017 until it is in the rear-view mirror. I've just got the Days of Noah and 40 days, along with the calendar being off front and center right now. It was the 17th day of the 2nd month when the 40 days began...2,0,17. Yeah, that might be stretching it a bit. I will be checking out Daniel's update though. There is definitely a high watch merging of events about to occur in another few days! Blessings to all the Body!
DeleteYes, dear Nora and Sheila! Thanks for you thouhts, really! I became now a better picture of this 70th Week! I looked at Steve's timeline, it is interesting, but I look today better at the Daniel's Material. It is very-very interesting now for me. When we need to add the 13th month, then the Feasts in 3.5 years and in 7 years will shift also with. (?) And I think also an the Transfigurarion. Could it possibly refer to our Rapture, and then two witnesses come very quickly after, and witness to Israel, and Israel is now on the very verge of war, and the Lord saves them, and then the Lord (as Dan says - this is the Lord) will "confirm the covenant with many for one week". (??) Need to think deep over! Thank you very much once more! Blessings!
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DeleteIndeed, I think so that Israel is on the verge of those -long ago- prophesied wars like the conclusive "big finale" of the psalm 83 war(s) with her neighbours. Many people (including me) believe so that Israel’s war with her neighbours had actually started in 1947 after the UN resolution on the birth of the modern state of Israel passed. Her neighbouring Arab countries attacked her asap. Several wars followed after that through the past decades, (one of Israel’s biggest victories happened in 1967 with the re-capture of Jerusalem). The prophesied destruction of Damascus (in Isaiah 17) will probably be a part of that grand finale followed after some -yet unknown-time by Ezekiel's war aka the Ezekiel 38/39 chapter battle of Gog-Magog. There's a good chance that all of these wars are going to happen before the start of Daniel's 70th Week. (The Antichrist’s confirmation of *the peace covenant among many* kick starts the whole tribulation period aka the 70th Week.) So, I’m more on the opinion that all these wars are pre-70th Week (this is also debated within the Church) but again, I’m not dogmatic about it. That’s why, while I could easily picture the rapture happening anytime now, within the few next days or so, I’m not so sure about Daniel’s 70th Week happening so soon. (I’m one of those who believe so that a short gap of time is possible between the rapture and the start of Daniel’s 70th Week. How long that “short time” will be, IF a gap happens, nobody knows but I don’t think it’s more than a few months, max a year but that might be too long.) Many hugs, Sister! :--)
p.s.: A bit of addition: What I meant to say at the start of my previous comment is that I believe so that all of the wars Israel have had with her neighbours so far are probably in the "category" of psalm 83. And a *conclusion* of all of that will come when Israel defeats all her neighbours, once and for all. It really seems that it’s near.
DeleteThank you, Nora! Your picture is very informative! I search then all this together, and I think, that we find very quickly the true plan of the Lord! The events are quite quickly! Blessings!
DeleteI agree, Alla! It seems to me that prophetic events are unfolding quickly.
DeleteThat video was scary and very eye opening. We just have to pray JESUS takes us home soon- very soon.
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Oh, fun, such great thoughts. Michael I think you are spot on. We are so Western linear time-line focused we desperately want to be able to draw a straight line and drop our points on those lines and have it all line up. I do clearly understand God is in control of the Barley and if He chooses to make it abib so it sits on the timeline He certainly can, but I see no promise in Scripture he will do that. Brenda is working hard now to "make her timeline work". I do not mean to be critical, because I think she has a great mind and has done wonderful work in studying. But, perhaps if you are too focused on something which just seems to fit so perfectly (like her timeline) it could turn out exactly like 9/23 and the Great Sign did. WE - absolutely me included - invested all our thought into making it work exactly how WE envisioned it would and I think, in hindsight, that unrelenting devotion to being so certain it was exactly right and so many things fit so perfectly, it caused us to miss some things. We got out of the "try and make it fail" mode of scientific analysis and got into "it has to be right" and "let's ignore anything that looks a bit strange". We know now we were right on MOST of it, but as Annabel points out, we didn't have the chronology of verses 3,4 & 5 correct. It just "messed up our pattern" to think otherwise. Ah, well, experience is what we get when we don't get what we want.
ReplyDeleteAnnabel, I believe you are absolutely right, we must stay focused on the astronomical fulfillment of the rest of the sign. It started astronomically, so it seems it would complete astronomically. Yes, shadows are also being fulfilled with the Beast System in the world, but I can't believe REV 12 would not be completed astronomically. There are too many potentials to allow that to occur that are upcoming over the next few weeks.
One final thing and off topic, but part of it - I am seeing the disclosure on Uranium One and all the dirt political pool of previous administrations and candidates which we all knew were true, but couldn't seem to get a foothold with it. I think their get out of jail free card has left the building and that now seems to be coming home to roost - completely mixing metaphors here. Obama is holding the "Inauguration" of his new foundation - who calls it that - on none other than October 31st - Halloween Night. For the US, ATIFA and the mobs funded by Soros are planning their take it to the streets party for November 4th and there are rumors they are actually planning to begin on the 31st as well. I have a very hard eye on that. I am convinced that evil crew and the swamp creatures in Washington will blow this entire country up in Chaos and call for martial law before they will stand to be hauled into the court system.
Blessings All - Sherry
Sherry,
DeleteWell, IF the rapture happens around the 29th-31st of this October or in the first days of November, chaos will ensue, they won't have to try!
Sherry, Annabel & crew, have you seen the latest over at TheseChristianTimes?: SHOCK CLAIM: Bible Codes Reveal Recent NASA Discovery On 9th Planet Is Pre-Messianic Appearance of Nibiru. The gent in the video is challenging to hear, unless you have an Israeli ear, but I have struggled through his work before on YT and it is insightful and rich in deep understanding of the Torah in its original language. Maranatha!
DeleteJimboni, thanks for the heads up on that site. Lots of interesting info there and you are so right about Rabbi Glazerson. I have to listen really hard to make out most of what he is saying but it's usually worth the effort. Imo the Bible Codes are there to add even more confirmation to the Authorship of the Holy Scriptures and further prove He has purposed all things, incl. this planetary system, to move according to His perfect will.
DeleteIn watching that other video about the Scream at the Sky day that's coming up, I was just so thankful for the sweet gift of prayer and sorrowful at the same time that so many could seek satisfaction in such an empty action. I so praise Yeshua for restoring that lifeline to us.
Be blessed, Brother.
Steve Sewells timeline was perfect to me too but I also noticed he had counted 1290 days in the first half because of Daniel 12:11 he interpreted the "daily sacrifice" as the church which was "continually" burning in the Holy Spirit 24/7 and not dependant on a literal temple or regular animal sacrifice. This was a good idea though but might be wrong for some other reason. Here's what I found about the connection of these 1260/1290/1335 days in relation to the ministry of Christ very interesting!
ReplyDeletePlease don't get me wrong about being fixated on 2017 but I just think this years' pattern might fit better into all the "sevens" than 2018. I'm not dogmatic about it at all though, God is sovereign and knows His holy timetable better than we can search it out now. But I don't think in fact that the "great sign" of Rev12:1 could be equalled to a 'more than 1 years warning' like e.g. the blood moons of 2014-15 were. I think the sequence of events has been eventually "triggered" now and will occur one at a time in a rather swiftly manner.
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(A few significant prophetic aspects are mixed up in Steve’s interpretation concerning the daily sacrifice imo, timing- and dispensation wise. But that's my own point of view. Eventually, we'll see how things will turn out in the future.)
I'm absolutely hanging in there on 2017 . . . until it gets to be 2018. Annabel is right - His timing is perfect!
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I am a strong fan of Steve at HeavenlySign2017 and his work resonates with no dissonance in my spirit. However, I am coming to see his work as a type of working to unpack YHWH by Reason applied to the Word. I know I now tread on very Sacred Ground and mean nothing to minimize Steve's work or discount it in any way, it is essential to the Body. Quite the contrary, I consider him 1st on the list of resources I study, and am confident he is Spirit Led, but. His linearity, when viewed through the lens of Daniel's teaching at Informedchristians, YTC of the enemy being given power even over time, which is a strong but sound perspective he unfolds in Scripture, it calls into question EVERY timeline built from within the Tribulation then working back, as Steve does. Think of it as the Revelation Mandela Effect (REV 9:6). Well, that was not the point of my post, but a segue and in light of this deep talk, and Steve's mention in it, I feel called to toss that in. Now you now more about some of what undergirds MY posts and It also adds perspective on this:
DeleteJohn's latest over at WatchmanforthatGreatDay YTC is simply mind-blowing and it deals with the 1260/1290 ENTIRELY differently than Steve, who has invested great research in which one comes first. In short, won't spoil the details, but, the 1260 is WITHIN the 1290, not a separate count. Again, remember InformedC's time-as-plastic possibility and nothing can be humanly deciphered about timelines after the Rapture while looking from before it. The Tribulation is a TRAP and the snare actually involves TIME LOOPS as the enemy, who KNOWS his TIME is short, works to "game the house", as it were and is GIVEN POWER OVER TIMES AND SEASONS: "and shall think to change the TIMES and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time" (Dan 7:25, ESV, emphasis mine). Daniel V shows also how the "law" referred to could be read, "the law(s) of creation" vs. the Law of Torah as most Watchers ascribe.
So, here is the crux of the biscuit, and again, go watch John's latest, WE ARE the Daily Sacrifice which is 'taken away': "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present YOUR bodies a living SACRIFICE, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service" (Rom 12:1 KJV, emphasis mine). and, to clarify, which I called John about, here's the Ringer to eradicate uncertainty: "I am CRUCIFIED WITH Christ" (Gal 2:20, KJV, emphasis mine). If I am crucified WITH Christ, and presenting myself as a sacrifice IS acceptable to God, it is only because I AM SO CRUCIFIED WITH the ONLY ACCEPTABLE ONE. So, wasn't that a one-time event? Even if we ARE an acceptable sacrifice AND crucified WITH Christ, how is that daily, apart from "daily" presenting ourselves which is a word not appearing in that verse?
If you can ever lay your hands on Chuck Missler's teaching, "6 Hours Into Eternity" where he deals with the Tesseract properties of the Cross which stands FOR ETERNITY, hence it's eternal effectiveness for us, do so. In short, when our Deity, who exists outside of time, endured the Cross and 3 Days in the Tomb and the punishment from the Father which WE deserve, that IS a TIMELESS event. IT STANDS ETERNALLY. THE CROSS NEVER STOPS. The Cross and WE ON IT WITH OUR LORD *ARE* THE "DAILY" SACRIFICE, wow.
OK, final teaser to go watch and then I'm done. Key events are happening, 30 days apart and tied to the 70th anniversary of the DECREE to restore Israel, next month, (hint hint). These events could fit what the Word says happens in terms of the 1260 and 1290 as John lays it out, Maranatha!
Jimboni, I do myself appreciate the findings of Steve Sewell very much. Nevertheless "his" timeline obviously somehow failed. So he must have missed sth like we all did. I'm still firm about the years 2017-2024 but rather confused about the days now. Perhaps you mean calculations as mentioned on the above link (1260-1290-1335) or this webpage 1260d.com? Blessings to you! :)
DeleteJimboni it's me again. What if the researcher of 1260d.com is right and according to your assumption the number/s 1150/1260/1290/1335 indeed are to be seen "telescope-like"? I think then we are talking about the SECOND half of tribulation ONLY (Daniel 12:11 / Revelation 11:3) so that the smaller numbers are included in the bigger one 1335. Then we are talking about "Jacobs trouble" only. The "daily sacrifice" is not the church then but the "2230 evening and morning sacrifices" of Daniel 8:14 (= 1150 days). This scripture does not tell how long there will be a sacrifice but HOW LONG IT TAKES UNTIL THE "SANCTUARY WILL BE CLEANSED" so this fits into your proposal as well (= 1150 days from mid-trib desolation on, after taking away the regular sacrifice of the Jews and AC sitting in the temple as God himself 2 Thessalonians 2:4 prosecuting the woman fleeing into the wilderness Rev12:6+14 chronology is not straight from verse 5 on but different events described parallel). The begin of the first half of the period is quite uncertain then and rapture depends on the sequence of events in Rev12:1-5. Just some thoughts of mine to scripturally re-order the timeline.
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Delete“So, here is the crux of the biscuit, and again, go watch John's latest, WE ARE the Daily Sacrifice which is 'taken away”
As for me, I don’t tie Romans 12:1 to the “stopping of the sacrifices in the middle of the tribulation period”. I mean, I truly believe so that there will be literal sacrifices in a literal 3rd Temple in the first half of the tribulation period. I also believe that there will be a final 7 years long tribulation period completing “Daniel’s 70 Weeks”. That’s my 2 cents at least. We’ll see (from Heaven) how these events will unfold. (Steve also talked about a “revived Ottoman empire” in one of his videos, calling it the beast that is resurrected after its fatal wound. Another thing in which my views differ from his but I’m not a fan of the Islamic AC theory anyway.)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I just caught wind of a fire burning at a DuPont plant in W VA, for the last 4-5 DAYS, releasing an extremely toxic mix into the lungs of East Coasters with a cloud visible 40 MILES AWAY; The annual scientific testing of NW Pacific Salmon to predict the upcoming harvest, as well as the health of the primary food stock for Orca's and others, pulled numerous completely empty nets for the FIRST TIME EVER (hungry yet?)"
ReplyDelete“We were really worrying if there was something wrong with our equipment,” said David Huff, estuarine and ocean ecology program manager in the fish ecology division at NOAA Fisheries. “We have never hauled that net through the water looking for salmon or forage fish and not gotten a single salmon. Three times we pulled that net up, and there was not a thing in it. We looked at each other, like, ‘this is really different than anything we have ever seen.’ “It was alarming.” https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/empty-nets-signal-trouble-for-columbia-river-salmon/
Tic Toc Tic Toc .... Maranatha!
Did ya'll see the one out by Mrmbb333 about the the lake in PA that dried up in less than 48 hours for no sensible reason. It truly is getting stranger every day.
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Jimboni dear brother please excuse for not having said TY 4ur hint above to 'TheseChristianTimes' I bookmarked the page! :) Regarding my personal Rev12:3 hobbyhorse 'Nibiru' again, please check out 26th October before sunrise (7:50 am) on top of the highest mountain in my country the Zugspitze Webcam beginning at 6 am = app. 2 hours prior to normal sunrise! Showed it to my hsb yesterday. He's getting annoyed when I tell him sunlight isn't normal to me at 'golden October' season but rather blinding me like floodlit; he understands what I mean but cannot "see" any difference in light colour (cool white light or soft golden shine). But the Zugspitze images should be obvious to everybody! MARANATHA!
DeleteHi Annabel, I agree with you about this sign, and also follow the news about and NASA report. Thanks for this link. I think you are right here!
ReplyDeleteAnd Jimboni, I looked too, very interesting, and in other parts of earth this same problem too. Tic Toc!
Alla D and others, esp Sheila B., the Mississippi also recently went bone dry near the New Madrid Fault intersections and the river commerce has been seriously disrupted. The 'Ol Miss is a critical hub in NA commerce and this is significant economically, especially along with Harvey's impact on TX. Common thread here? The earth is being squeezed and stretched and the upper crust is moving and opening and, in places, the waters on the surface are returning to the Fountains of the Deep (Gen 7:11 & Matt 24:37) Maranatha!
DeleteYes, Jimboni, I've seen that about the Mississippi. It's really getting wild.
DeleteI heard another intriguing quote today about the weather appearing to be running a month behind everywhere. Made me think about the calendar and feast timing.
And Annabel, yesterday I saw footage from a German webcam clearly depicting 3 red orbs. The best one I think I've seen yet.
I've also noticed out here in the country how the animals are often carrying on at all hours of the night like they are sensing something out of whack or coming at them. Cows, donkeys, dogs, peacocks, goats, exotics... makes for an eerie din at 2 am on what would otherwise be a calm starry night. I do believe this world has begun the stagger and is on it's way to reeling like
a drunkard. Yes, Maranatha! Brothers and Sisters!
Here's one of those little 😊 things that come along. We got some Chinese take-out and my grandson loves to eat the fortune cookies. There was only one in the bag and He handed me the little message to read for him. "YOU WILL TAKE AN INSPIRATIONAL JOURNEY TO A FARAWAY PLACE".
DeleteMade for some smiles anyway and started another conversation about Yeshua's coming for us. Blessings, All.
Here to these points a little thought. In Gen 7:11 we read "in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month". Is it here this month Heshvan? There came Judgement in that day! When we make a parallel with the words of Jesus in Mat 24. ? Just a thought! Maranatha!
DeleteBlessings! Have you all read the book "Wake Up! God's Prophetic Calendar in Timelines and Feasts" ? It is so well documented, more than 500 pages. Bestseller in Europe and now available in English at getbook.at/wakeup and i would really recommend the paperback version. It's about history of the Church, 7 timelines in the Bible, 7 feast and their new covenant meaning, the ancient Jewish Wedding and ll kinds of patterns that co-exist and show the same picture of the coming Pre-Trib Rapture (not only from textual perspective but also from very factual patterns-poin-of-view). A must read and perfect to give away to your family and friends who need to see the whole picture.
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