The Great Sign of Revelation 12 | 2017 Rapture Extra! - Alan Horvath
Alan Horvath dives deep into 3 separate texts which he believes is telling the same story. The texts include Revelation 12, Isaiah 66 and the book of Enoch. Please watch this very informative 29 minute video and be encouraged!
This was so comforting to me! Thanks. I have a question for the more Bible studied people (I have recently converted from lukewarm to all in). So during Tribulation is the Holy Ghost removed from the earth also?
ReplyDeleteYes; once the restrainer is removed, Satan can enter the earth. The general thought is the Holy Spirit will leave the earth, along with the Church, at the rapture. This is when Satan is thrown out of the heavens to earth.
DeleteHi - there is no biblical evidence of the Holy Spirit being removed from the earth. The word 'out of the way' from 2 Thes 2:7 means 'middle or in the midst of'. No indication the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth simply be causing he is no longer restraining the antichrist.
DeleteYes, it is tricky for us 4-Dimensional beings (Space+Time) to decode teachings of higher dimensional truth. The Word tells us that the Lord is everywhere always and there is no where beyond his reach or presence. NOTHING exists 'beyond' YHWH. Yet, while His Presence is throughout all, His Revealing &/or Personal Interaction with the locals is not. So, while He is always everywhere, The Restraining Work of His Spirit will cease when He who does now restrain is taken 'out of the way' . Maranatha!
DeleteJimboni, wonder explanation! wow!
DeleteAgreeing with Jimboni :) it's not "the Spirit" out of the way or off work but only the church in which He was dwelling (individuals). There is another gospel message (faith + work based) preached by angels during tribulation (= Revelation 14:6-12) but the HS = God will still have to turn peoples' hearts to this message. Look how all others react to all judgement cataclysms instead in Rev16! Blessings and welcome on board :-))
DeleteI have enjoyed the reading and commenting of all the different angles regarding the Rev 12 Sign topics Brad has posted. I highly concur with Alan’s ‘dual birthing’ prophetic picture. It has been what I have written about all along and suspected and to add also beyond that of a possible inference to the coming of not the ‘Christ’ but the AntiChrist. That is for another thread. :) The Sign is not done, just yet. It has been intense for me but here is the latest study I just did today. It is entitled, ‘Rev 12 Sign - The Dragon Comet and Draconids Meteor Shower’. See what you all think.
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Lu, Thanks for sharing.
DeleteThis is from "UTube Prophet" Alan Horvath's Website. The Book of Enoch is non canonical, written during the Inter-testament period aka Silent Period; God did not speak to Prophets of Israel for 400 years in this period. Horvath says YHWH is the only name of salvation; YHWH is the Rabbinical Tetragammaton, the name of Saturn having nothing to do with God. Salvation is through JEHOVAH (Ex 6:3) JAH (Ps 68:4 KJV) and JESUS (Mat 1:25 KJV) That's it, end of story.
ReplyDelete"I've read the Upanishads and the Vedas, Krishna and the Mahabharata ... I've studied Buddism, Rosicrucianism, Scientology and Christian Science ... I've read the Course in Miracles numerous times ... but none of any of those holds a single grain of sand when compared to the endless shores of Yahshua (Christ) and what the Scriptures have to reveal to anyone who looks into them with any sincerity. No one has ever claimed to be Messiah and no one has ever spoken of the Shamayim (Heaven) from the standpoint of having been there themselves ... except for One; Yahshua ha Mashiach -- the only begotten Son of YHWH -- "... for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
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Book of Enoch is non-canonical, but it was used extensively as a matter of history. This is why the NT referenced some of these books (e.g. in Jude 1). Some of the non-c books are gnostic however, so we need to be careful with them. Book of Jashar and Book of Enoch are really interesting regarding early thoughts on the nephilim.
DeleteObviously....you don't know Alan. Please...no time for snarky... Shalom
ReplyDeleteI agree, He is very anointed, and some folks pick because he is always reading from the original Aramaic Hebrew, which I agree, the Word has gone through many translations, and we must study to show ourselves approved as we grow in YHWH and YESHUA! Alan is also very real, which some folks don't like!
DeleteVery encouraging perspective from Alan. Of the many teachers I have sat under I find none quite so close to the Lord's Heart on matters Scriptural. His studies of the Otiot, the original language of Scripture, are truly splendid. To hear him so boldly declare his own opinion as to the inspired nature behind Enoch's writings was startling. Being extremely well grounded and balanced in his approach and teaching this was a very profound thing for Alan, of all teachers I've known, to say. Apart from that, however, Alan's clear deep confidence in the import & meaning of the Rev12 Wonder, in concert with everything else, and the scope of our moment at hand was very, very encouraging as we wait. Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteI can't agree more Jimboni, He is very anointed! I enjoy learning about all aspects of Yashuas walk, and all the many signs and history pointing straight to him!
DeleteAgree, I really enjoy learning from Alan. He's an amazing teacher. This latest post from him on the Netchatef was very encouraging to me too. He helps put into perspective what we all know in our hearts but sometimes need said.
DeleteI watch Alan's teaching all the time, I have NEVER heard hm say YHWH is the only name of salvation, as a matter of fact he always tells us that it is Yeshua that is the way to salvation, so I'm not sure where anonymous is getting that statement from.
ReplyDeleteAnd? He is saying Yashua HaMashiach is the only name by which we can be saved. He is right, I don't know what you are trying to say here, but....I won't debate this. This is the name the Angel gave Miriam, not Mary, it got translated to Mary.....the Name Yashua! If you want to use the Latin translation I have no problem, but don't try to bash those that want the original language plz.
DeleteDo you even realize the letter J didn't even exist when our Messiah walked this earth.....I'm done with this discussion
DeleteI love Alan's teachings and his absolute adherence to scripture. There has been great growth in the Body who listens to his ministry. I have never heard him call himself a prophet - Ever. He does word studies in Aramaic, loves the Lord and encourages others to do the same. Blessings - Sherry
ReplyDeleteHoward, I appreciate your zeal for you have responded on every comment. What you are saying and implying about Alan is untrue and you should be ashamed. I listen to his videos and have for a very long time. He does not teach God and Magog is going on now, that is a lie. You are apparently scanning titles and to make your accusations, for you certainly aren't listening to vids. It is clear you are a mid-Trib believer and neither Alan nor I agree with your doctrine. However, neither of us have sought to cast aspersions on your character nor on your belief systems by using misinformation. Please discontinue and feel free to discontinue responses to me. You have no credibility, sir. Blessings
DeleteWell, I am certainly pleased to make the acquaintance of an individual who knows all things. I disagree and I'm still a child of God. Blessings
Delete@Sherry LOL! {thumbs up} :)) much love!
DeleteThe President said we are in the calm before the storm and experts are concerned N. Korea will do something provocative on our Oct 9--their Oct 10--which is the day before the end of Sukkot on Oct 11.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-10-04/cia-official-predicts-north-korean-provocation-on-columbus-day?context=amp
There is a quite saddening debate above going on about the proper "NAME" of God which I'd like to adress here. When asked on another social media thread about this, this was my answer from scriptures (!) to it. I just copy my reply here following:
ReplyDelete>>First of all TY for your kind reply. If I do understand it right you ask my opinion on how to use Gods proper NAME and if so, which one? Well I have to admit that I don't believe in such thing to find a "proper name" literally. By adoption as a child of God I have a family relationship with Him that allows me to call Him "Daddy" in whatever language I want to (see Galatians 4:6!). I don't have to learn Hebrew nor obey some OT law given to adress my heavenly Father by name. This is my personal freedom as a child of God.
The "name" in the bible is a concept that is not made of letters aligned in a certain way. The "letter killeth" (2 Corinthians 3:6) but only the Spirit gives life. You have to understand the concept of Gods name not in a literal sense. The NAME of a person stands for everything by which this person is fully characterized. It is a whole concept, not just letters aligned. If I pray "IN the name of Jesus" or like in Matthew 18:20 "gather IN his name" this means I do fully agree with everything this name STANDS FOR and I do gather TOWARDS this whole concept of character and attributes of this person which is GOD actually. It's not about a "name by letters" it's about EVERYTHING THIS NAME STANDS FOR. So if I first of all have a childlike relationship to the Father and then do agree with anything He incorporates this means to rightly use His "name" however I may express this in my own language. As a loving Father He will understand and accept any way I'm talking to and adressing Him, like Abraham and Moses did as a "friend of God" (James 2:23 / Exodus 33:11) and just like Jesus calls me His "friend" too (John 15:15). Thus, without forgetting that it is God who I talk to I may still adress Him as my FRIEND and FATHER in whatever language I like and whatever term of endearment I like to use to express my relationship to Him.
Blessings to you!<<
Amen, Annabel! (I'm saddened when I see the *hebrew roots movement* and its effects creeping in places of the Chruch.)
DeleteNora you know it's very important for the Gentile church not to forget its roots I think we agree about Romans 11 here and the fact that "salvation is from the Jews" - but to fall into legalism again is dangerous and of divisive spirit. That's what I'm observing too all the time now. Much love! :)
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DeleteI agree. Concerning the *hebrew roots movement*, I mean that: https://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrew-roots.html
Annabel, as for me I prefer to call Them by their given names, that were in the Aramaic Hebrew, I don't condemn people for calling Them whatever they feel is right for them, this is my preference, from what MY study about Names revealed, I don't force anyone or say anything negative about it. But as for me....I will call HIS NAME YESHUA. And I call the Father, many different names, ABBA, YHWA, Heavenly FATHER, because I believe there are titles, and then there are names, I have studied and a name especially Hebrew names, reflect the Character of that Name. I really don't care what anyone else wants to use.
DeleteI also use a lot of other Hebrew terms, I'm not a part of any Hebrew roots movement, it has resulted from MY study about Truth.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but, comments like that are the reason so many people who get turned on to the gospel, fired up, look at things like that, and don't want any part of the confusion. That's what hurts the body the most!
DeleteAnd, we can't just call him anything we want to.....I emplore you to study a little deeper, after all, HIS NAME is exalted above HIS word.
DeleteDear Truthisall I will call my "Daddy" just as I like to call him lovingly in family and just because of the scriptural reasons given above. I don't condemn anybody for using "Yeshuah" or "Yahuah" anyway but I prefer not to be lectured about Romans 8:15-16 and Galatians 4:6 or forced into legalism about this issue here. Likewise the freedom in Romans 14 and 15. Did you ever think about the fact that the whole letter of Romans is dedicated to this one issue of uniting Jews and Gentiles in Christ? So please don't bother me with legalism here, I know whom I believe and whom I worship and HOW I do that. No offense, blessings to you!
DeleteYou are falsely accusing me. I won't continue this when I am accused of something that couldn't be further from the truth, I see the fruit of so called believers, time for me to bow out. I wish you the best in Yeshua
DeleteDear friend I'm not accusing anybody because this is Satans job to do so. I'm just pointing you to Romans 8:15-16 and Galatians 4:6 by emphasizing my own status as a child of God and rebuking legalism in adressing my heavenly Father in a loving and intimate family relationship (in German language as this is my native tongue btw). For further questions better read Romans and Galatians again, Ephesians 2:13-18 is not bad to clarify this as well. I'm done with this too now if you cannot see what scripture has to say about this topic. God bless.
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ReplyDeleteSatan uses people to do his accusing, looks like you are the one that's legalistic from reading your post, check them out, sorry that's just the plain truth, as I already stated, I don't care how you address him, makes me no difference, we all will stand before Him for ourselves. Shalom
ReplyDeleteFor you to say, the Ruah ha Qodesh (hope this don't send you over the edge) doesn't dwell inside ones that use the original text as it was written is first of all very dangerous, second it is not your job. You read from the KJV, that is not what the Bible was written in, much has been changed, it's your job to study and find the truth, as it is all of our commission.
ReplyDeleteJude (YAHUDAH) 1:4. For certain men have slipped in, whose judgement was written about long ago, wicked ones corrupting the favor of our Elohim for indecency, and denying the only Adon and our Adon ha Mashiah. This is the original text from Aramaic Hebrew
All I can figure here is.....that you must think the Saints of the first covenant, and the writers of the second covenant spoke English? (KJV) Do you not realize your Messiah was a JEW, and He spoke Aramaic Hebrew as well as the writers, that wrote in Aramaic Hebrew? If you plan on reigning 1000 years in Yisra el, wouldn't hurt to get a little Jewish Hebrew flavor, just sayin
ReplyDeleteTruthisall and Howard, we respect and love you. I personally just ask you guys to treat others with kindness and respect. I've seen some of your comments, and some feel a bit antagonistic. I understand people can be frustrating; however, we all are brought together in the name of Yeshua! So, let's have nice discussion, but let everything that comes out of our mouths be good!
DeleteI call Him Father, and Elohim for all three, and I call the Son, Yeshua, My Messiah, his Name was never given in English. The names you mention are an English translation, never was any English in the Bible, sorry. Iesus is also a translation, not the original Name the Angel gave to Miriam his mother to give to Him the Son of YHWH The Almighty Creator, the Alpha and Omega, the First and The Last.
DeleteI personally call my Father Abba, and refer to Messiah as Jesus, but if I called my Father Yahweh and the Messiah Yeshua, it would be just as fine. Some beliefs need to be corrected, such as not believing in a Triune God, that Jesus wasn't God, that Jesus didn't die, the salvation is by works, etc.. Some beliefs are up for debate and don't need to be argued about, like premillenialism vs amillenialism, pre vs mid vs post trib, what to call God, etc.. Calling God Yahweh isn't a sin, and neither is calling Him Abba. It's not specified, so it's up to the believer. Just respect others.
DeleteBeloved, thank you for your kind words. As I have spent a lot of time studying the Names of Our Father and His Son, as well as the Ruah ha Qodesh,I came to see that there are many Gods, that are called God, that is a title, not a name, so for me I prefer to call Them by their given Aramaic Hebrew Names, then there can be only Them and No others before them or like them, I think calling Them by their given original Names bring respect love and honor, I mean how would we like it if people called us by another name other than what we are names. In Hebrew a name describes the character of that person, it's not just a title. Those are the reasons for my choice, I don't even really know what legalism is, I just study and trust in Abba Father, and Yeshua my Messiah, but on this page alone, I was accused of being that, and a Hebrew roots movement follower, which I kinda take as a compliment, lol. But I also see that there are 3 but 1 The Fathers Spirit which leads and guides us into all truth, our comforter, The Father, and Yeshua, same as we are built, body, soul and spirit. I never tried to be disrespectful, but you are right, some folks are hard to tolerate, I just pray harder for them. Shalom
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DeleteWhere do you get this stuff
DeleteHoward, I need to let you know, YOU are NOT my judge, Praise be to Abba My Father!
ReplyDeleteHoward, if you want to use the Latin translation of Jesus, carry on brother, I have no condemnation for you, if you want to call the Father, G-D , Same goes for that, have at it, but don't condemn others for wanting to use the original names given in the original writing of The Word! Please
ReplyDeleteHow about the I AM..KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS...Faithful and True...The Word of God...CREATOR of all things? I guess that'd mean the same thing in any language in mho.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Howard/Marianne/Anon thing, I hate to say it but I really am beginning to feel like it's some kind of computer software program or AI deal. Crazy...maybe, but it seems to accomplish nothing but division, irritation and lots of totally nutty information irrelevant to what we are all looking for which is the return of our precious Savior, Yeshua Ha Mashiac, Jesus the Christ, son of the Living God, God come in the flesh. And so much more that we have yet to soon know. Blessings to all who love and await Him.
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DeleteThere you are. I was beginning to wonder if the Good Lord had snuck in to Texas to do some cherry picking. Blessings, Brother.
DeleteHa! If there was any cherry picking, i’d Be last on the list!
DeleteI wish people on this site would stop arguing about who is the better Christisn or more biblical.
DeleteIf we all believe we are near the end, and therefore need to be watchful, we should practice charity and share the gospel of faith, hope, and love in the time we have left.
No one gets into heaven for being right.
Loved this poetic narration of the Rev 12 sign. I learned something new with this video, the Labor pains are the Tribulation WOW! Love it.
ReplyDeleteI do have a question on the Wings of a Great Eaglein verse 14. In prophasy kingdoms and Kings are represented by animals. In Daniel 7 vs 4 kingdoms again are represented as those being of the beast that is spoken of in Rev 13. I have heard the theory that the Lion with wings of a eagle may be England. The wings detached and were made to stand with the heart/mind of a man (paraphrasing here). So the theory is the Wings of a Eagle is America. America has two national symbols the Bald Eagle and Uncle Sam. I found it ironic that the verse is found in Daniel 7 vs 4 (4th of July, seventh month and forth day) I do not believe that in coincidences with Gods word. Does anyone have a theory on my question. I do not know about what will happen to America especially with President Trump ordained by God (as all presidents for better or worse) I believe that we are now becomeing stronger to aide and support Israel, however if America is rendered inoperative (with all the national disasters occuring and or human murder and chaos politically or not) then the world would then have the full speed ahead to go against Israel and then The Lord God will save the Day and have all the glory when he steps on the Mt. of Olives
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ReplyDeleteTruthisall, God help us here. This "personage" that you are now going back and forth with has to be in front of a computer screen or bank watching all of these threads simultaneously to so quickly respond as if doing so from a databank of info on all the elements of the pagan religions down through history which is then mixed in with some twisted doctrines of Christianity. And Israel is adamantly and often dismissed in the rhetoric. This stuff cannot be coming from a normal human being no matter how you look at it and I am seeing it as a thorn in the flesh of this site and of those awaiting the return of Yeshua to gather His Body.
ReplyDeleteBut per 2 Cor: 12:9, His grace is sufficient. Blessings to you and the Body.
Thank you Sheila, I have no clue where he is coming from, and I don't want anything to do with him, I should have quit responding several post back, I am here to learn, and to share the thoughts and prayers of other believers, It seems to send him over the edge when I use Aramaic Hebrew, referring to Yahshua, and Abba Father, I am rather shocked at his spewing, and then saying very bad things about me, however I know whom I serve, and who my blessed hope is, but it is very disturbing, a thorn in the flesh to say the least, I hope the person that has this site will see. Blessing to you as well Sister! I praise Him for His grace and mercy toward me and all believers!
DeleteTruthisall, at first I was attempting to pray for this as perhaps someone misguided or even oppressed but every time I tried, I just kept getting this mental picture of the word HAL in caps. it took awhile but I finally made the connection with that old movie "2001-A Space Odyssey" from the late 60's. Did a little research and it was surprising to say the least. HAL was the onboard computer with a human crew on a voyage to Jupiter. Much technology and AI involved. HAL declares itself foolproof and incapable of error. As it attempts to misinform the crew, they find out and close themselves in a room to make a plan to disconnect the thing. But HAL is onto them through lip reading and plots to separate them and destroy them first. There are all sorts of Pagan threads throughout the movie. Humanism, evolution, existentialism, black monoliths, e.t.'s, etc. Just saying I think I was being shown something whenever I tried to pray about this. Prayers up for the Body.
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DeleteI think you may be on to something, I also have been praying for him, but I got nothing, lol, however I did a little research, and I will let you see if you can make anything of it. I found out he does not believe in a rapture, he calls out this site and many other believers sites, and calls them liars, so I can only conclude he was here to convert us, or make trouble. Here is his site, see what you can deduct from it, warning....it's crazy.
theresnothingnew.org
Thanks and glad you are feeling the warning as well. He has put that site out numerous times trying to lure folks in to whatever dark and gloomy world that is. I decided to disengage from the weird religious rhetoric awhile back but it's like tentacles that don't let go. When one brother or sister disengages, another one is latched onto. Notice how it has nothing but condemnation and lies regarding the watchmen that Brad so diligently searches out and recommends. True men of Elohim that we all can learn from. I've never been one to get into that whole spiritual warfare thing. Not smart enough and in my book, that's work better left to the LORD. I will point it out though if I see it and yell "Run! Get behind Yeshua!" Maranatha!"
DeleteYes, I agree, I notified Brad about my situation with him, and thank the Father he took care of it, I hope not to see him here again. To me it is always a red flag when someone post a lot of stuff no one can understand, at least I couldn't make any since out of it! Thanks Sister, I appreaciate you! Blessings!
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ReplyDeleteFirstly, I've been going over this all morning, and I don't think you mean Rev12:2 regarding 'the rest of her children' but probably vs 4. Then you are using the Hebrew words here, but if you stick to the Greek G5043 for 'child' in vs 4 is plural, not singular, although the English uses 'it' with it. And, when you look at this word it carries with it the idea of punishment. The next verse, 5 uses the singular word for man 'child' and then in the next sentence the plural again. I suppose that you could interchange the word's as to if they are plural or singular, but doesn't that make it pretty subjective? I'm still studying this today, so bear with me. If you can explain your reasoning, thank you.
ReplyDeleteSo, what disturbs me is that you seem to have taken the English and translated it into Hebrew and used your Hebrew rendition to reach a conclusion. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it sure seems like that's what you're doing, because the original was written in Greek for a reason. This is an important distinction because as I stated in my first comment, you are confusing the plural word for child with the singular word. Both are used, that's true. Are you interpreting off of the verses in Is 66?
ReplyDeleteIn Rev 12:5, the word for 'brought forth' in Greek is not past tense, it is tiktō (G5088 - bring forth (9x), be delivered (5x), be born (3x), be in travail (1x), bear (1x)). Also, the difference between the two Greek words for 'child' is interesting. G5207 (the singular one) stresses a dignity and a character of relationship, whereas G5043 (the plural one) is simply a fact of birth. I don't know if your conclusion may be correct anyway though. It does look like there may be more than one birth referenced, as you say, first the Glorious Bride of Christ and then the Remnant. Look at Rom 8:19, "For the earnest expectation [G603-watching with an outstretched head] of the creature [G2937 -> G2936 - (the natural creation) -> G2936(to acquire, to get, to marry a wife)] waiteth (G553 (wait for, expect) -> G575 (separation)] for the manifestation [G602 -> 601 (reveal, to uncover, make bare, the appearing)] of the sons [G5207 - a son] of God. If you start with Eve, who was a type of 'humanity' or (of the Earth, the natural creation)...out of humanity comes Israel, out of Israel, comes Christ, out of Christ comes the Church who is His Bride (as Eve was the Bride of the first Adam). The whole Earth groans in pain together for the revelation of the sons of God...the Bride of Christ. But, also out of Israel who is God's wife, (as they realize who Christ is) brings forth a Remnant for His Name. So, it does seem like you could say there were two births. Paul may have alluded to it when he said he labored for Christ to be formed in the Galatian church again. The idea of two births answers a lot of questions.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing my videos ... so why don't you link you my YouTube channel and my web site in your RESOURCES links on the left side of your site? I feel left out!
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YES, please link, that would be great! I so enjoy your teaching! May Yahshua continue to lead you by His Ruach haquodesh!
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