Reader Contribution | Rev 12 "male child" link to Ezra and Nehemiah
In the past whenever a "sign" or "event" was set to supposedly usher in the something BIG, one consistent characteristic of the movement was that the information came from a single or limited sources. A good example of this was Harold Camping. He had many followers of his teachings... but those teachings came from a single source... Mr. Camping himself.
The Rev12 Sign is different as there is no single source of information, we have source, after source, after source, after source, after source....well you get the idea... I could go on all day! The point is many people are studying this sign nearly all interpret it in a consistent way, even though they are seeing it from multiple angles and different backgrounds.
As the secular quote shown above states, typically it is hard to get people to agree on anything they see. I believe having the advantage of the indwelling Holy Spirit is helping guide us all to a consistent truth... (well, if you are at least willing to look deeply and objectively at the information that is). So, to many of us the "multiple witnesses" surrounding this sign is a key reason why it stands apart from fads and false predictions of the past which have so inoculated the church from this amazing discovery.
Yes there are some differences in opinion here or there among us, but the point is that we all agree that the alignment on 9-23-17 is very likely the event described in Revelation 12. That alone should be front page news. Add in the fact that it seems to be related to the rapture and signify the end of the age of grace, well then it should be the topic of every sermon in the country this coming Sunday! But we know it won't be since we are told how these things will come like a thief in the night to those who are sleeping (1 Thes 5:4)...which seems to be 99% of the world and 90% of the attendees at a typical church now days.
So in closing, when others are comparing this event to past "fads" (as the 'here-we-go-again' crowd likes to call it), remember that many different people are coming to the same conclusion and that knowledge about this sign originates from two very special places: The Holy Bible and the Stars above. Those are two incorruptible communication systems given to us by God as described in the dynamic words of Psalm 19. Don't believe me...check it out for yourself... Psalm 19:1-6 is talking about the stars/heavens, while Psalm 19:7-11 is talking about the Word of God/Bible. Its an amazing study and I believe a total justification for looking up at Rev12 Sign.
On top of all this every day it seems that we have new people contributing their individual discoveries to the Rev 12 mix. The amazing thing is that they are consistently pointing to the truth of this Sign and adding depth to the elements of it! This latest contribution comes from James O. James comments on this page often and found something amazing in the story of Cyrus which has a very similar sounding gathering of Gods people as you will soon see. James spelled out this information perfectly so I am pasting his email below as is, unedited.
FYI: This information was originally sent to Daniel Matson and then shared with a few of us others. By permission from Daniel and James this email is being made public here since we all agreed it was a great find... Enjoy!
Subject: Revelations 12 "male child" link to Ezra and Nehemiah
Daniel,Love your work. But this email is on something new that I believe needs peer review that you might find interesting.In the books of Ezra and Nehemiah something popped right out at me when I read them a few days ago.
Cyrus the Great was convinced by Daniel that he was going to show up and take Babylon by draining the swamp around the city. Daniel showed him the scrolls of Isaiah 44 and 45 which told how Cyrus would do it. Pretty intense to see 200+ year old scrolls with your name in them also telling what you did to take Babylon. LOL.
So in Ezra:
Chapter 1, Cyrus says he's going to build the New Temple in Jerusalem and send back all the Jewish slaves as free men and women.
Just a side note... I said they are now freed because of what was said about Cyrus in Isaiah 45:
And I will direct all his ways;
He shall build My city
And let My exiles go free,
Not for price nor reward
Chapter 2 basically goes over the list of who those people were that were freed.
It's a pretty big gathering of people going home all at once from an entire kingdom.
Then Chapter 3... the 1st verse:
"And when the seventh month had come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered together as one man to Jerusalem."
This isn't a exactly "male child" like Revelations 12:1 and Isaiah 66 per say... but "children of Israel"... "as one man"....!
And... on the seventh month...! Tishrei 1...!!!! That's Rosh Hashanah!!! Feast of Trumpets!ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This could be an indirect link to Isaiah 66 and Revelations 12.Nehemiah is like the book of Ezra with a lot more detail about what happened in Ezra 1-3.
Nehemiah 7 verse 73:
... When the seventh month came, the children of Israel were in their cities.
Nehemiah 8 verse 1:
Now all the people gathered together as one man in the open square that was in front of the Water Gate; and they told Ezra the scribe to bring the Book of the Law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded Israel. 2 So Ezra the priest brought the Law before the assembly of men and women and all who could hear with understanding on the first day of the seventh month. 3 Then he read from it in the open square that was in front of the Water Gate from morning until midday, before the men and women and those who could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive to the Book of the Law.
This visual matches the book of Ezra. I find this VERY fascinating!
I love how James wrote that email. Thank you James for making this connection and sharing it with us. This text is yet another example of a group of people being described as "one man" and also as children...both shadows of the "child" of Revelation 12:5... a child which seems to represent the Body of Christ... the exact topic addressed in this post from yesterday! The date of this special gathering is just the icing on the cake! It doesn't take much imagination to connect this OT gathering on the Feast of Trumpets with the future gathering described in 2 Thes 2:1 which is hopefully indicated by this upcoming sign in a few months! I am sure we are just scratching the surface with what you have found, hopefully more people can chime in below with additional insights... Thanks again and God Bless!
Thank you Daniel and Brad. As always, all glory be to God above!
ReplyDeletegreat article. When the priests and the people gathered they were divided into groups of 24 with an elder sitting at the head of the group. The elders were chief priests ( not high priests ) there were two per tribe. The elders gathered around what was called the brazen/molten sea that was so polished you could see your spots on your garments that needed washing before you commenced your priestly duty. In the same court yard were smaller wash basins that were on wheeled carts. A bath of water was place on top and the sides were decorated with oxen/cherubs, lions, eagles and men. These wash basins were there to wash the sacrifices of those who could not be admitted in to service due to spotted garments. Now go read Revelation 4-5.
DeleteNo problem James...thank you! Great job!
DeleteIn Leviticus 12 according to the Law a woman who bore a male child was to be impure for 7 days. Then on the 8th day the child was to be circumcised. The is...the cutting away of unneeded flesh. After this 8th day the woman remained impure for an additional 33 days. This is the law concerning a natural physical birth of male child. Revelation 12 is about a Spiritual birth of a male child. Physical and spiritual are opposites so the periods of impurity need also be reversed. From the August 21st eclipse to September 23rd alignment is 33 days. The period of 33 days coming first. Then at sundown of the 33rd day the 8th day is to begin....the day of circumcision, the cutting away of unneeded flesh. Think corruptible putting on incorruption. Then 7 days of impurity are left and end in this case on Yom Kippur. These 7 days are also part of what is known as the days of awe or the awesome days. Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement for Israel. Here we see the Law and the Prophets in agreement. Very Very Important that we have this agreement in the law.
ReplyDeleteThe Leviticus 12 / Revelation 12 connection is huge in my opinion. That is one reason I found the 33 days between the sign and the eclipse so fascinating. I like how you linked that up with a reversal in order...I hope that is right, it seems like a valid theory for sure!
DeleteAdditionally, isn't it interesting that a woman who gives birth to a male child is unclean for 7 DAYS when compared to the 7 YEARS of tribulation Israel (the Woman in the Rev 12 Sign) will be undergoing purification. This is huge and probably needs its own post at some point, especially considering how Micah 5:3 indicates that the Woman giving birth is the key indicator of when that dispensation will change. On a side note, Scotty Clarke was able to talk to Joel Richardson after he did his 2 debunking videos.... the above point about Lev 12:2 connecting to the 7 year trib is supposedly the one point that really stopped Joel in his tracks. In the end Joel said he wouldn't be making any more videos on the subject...
Yes the Liv 12/Rev 12 is very interesting as well. Though, I don't think Rapture will be just a Spiritual birth... Glorified bodies are also included!
DeleteJoel did tweet today mocking the sign. Oh well. It just means he isn't looking for the Lord's return. Joel is more interested in boxing I guess. Scottie did mention Joel is pretty much mid-trib so that kinda makes since with his attitude. We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Ahh, I understand your reversal Jeff... Very interesting!
DeleteDear brethren, the fact that the 33 days of uncleanness in Leviticus 12:4 comes AFTER and not before the birthing (like the 33 days before Rev12-sign) puzzles me here. I'm OK with the 7 days of Lev12:2 but not with the 33 days after. I tend to suggest the 30 days BEFORE 21st September is a literal fulfillment of the month of Elul when the trumpets were blown throughout the country to gather the Israelites into Jerusalem as a "warning to hurry up" (see Brad Hursts script on 'Systematic Eschatology'). The 3 day gap until Rev12-sign means rapture takes place prior than fulfillment of sign and thus people being late if not being saved by grace before (as there are some that say 'oh well I might believe the bible if I see the sign fulfilled...'). The rapture is tied to Yom Teruah because of 1 Corinthians 15,52 and not to the exact day when the sign is fulfilled.
DeleteApart from that, Joel Richardson is not a brother of mine as he has exposed himself not to be Christ-like minded. He promotes himself as a prophet and seeks making money out of that. That's why he denies rapture because it could costs him book selling and the next talkshow engagement.
After rereading this several times over the last two days and asking the Lord to help me see what you were describing, the light bulb just went on. Some of us are a little slower on the uptake. Lol. Really fascinating, with the inverted sequence and the final 7 landing on Yom Kippur 2024, a very strong candidate IMHO for a possible date of His feet splitting the Mount of Olives. Truly fascinating stuff. Maranatha Lord Jesus!!! Watchman35
DeleteGreat to hear.... Jeremiah 33:3 comes to mind!
Delete"Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known."
So glad you shared this! Awesome find!
ReplyDeleteJeff Back very astute observation.
ReplyDeleteThank you, James O dear brother! How wonderful! This is like the "male child" in Daniel 7:13 + 27 ruling over the nations I mentioned yesterday but here we still have the counting and gathering on Yom Teruah in Jerusalem! In Ezra and Nehemiah we also have 2 more indicators for todays Christian true remnant: the people gathering were a) not without proper REGISTER Ezra 2:62 / Nehemiah 7:64 think of the foolish virgins and b) they were able to UNDERSTAND the word of God (which is usually not possible without Holy Spirit). So this assembly consists of true members of the people of God only, without 'spot or wrinkle' and with full understanding of Gods word (men AND women!). That's why Brad noticed above how Rev12-sign information is extraordinarily consistent from true believers all over the globe and not from a single source only. Blessings be to you! :-)
ReplyDeletePS @Brad: I couldn't find the 24 elders in Ezra / Nehemiah = scripture please? TY!
Excellent information; I agree Annabel.
DeleteNehemiah 9:1 would make in 2017 the 14/15th October. But Steve Sewell has calculated 20th October (next new moon) for confirmation of the Israel covenant Daniel 9:27 because of the 1290 days in Daniel 12:11. Any ideas to this?
ReplyDeleteI don't as specific timelines likes Steve's are just too dogmatic for me Annabel.... However he could be correct as time will tell....I hope so!
DeleteOne detail which jumped out at me and which I haven't heard others land upon was the part about "in front of the Water Gate". Always be on the lookout for "Water" in prophecy verses. We must be born of BOTH Water and The Spirit (Jn 3:5) being a good verse which illustrates the centrality of 'water' to the story of Man. Verses speaking of the "Water of Life" magnify this, bringing in the dynamic of Spiritual Water versus fleshly Water.
DeleteCurrently, we are about 70% water, just like the earth on which we sit, a divinely-intended parallel, to be sure. When born in the flesh we were, by simple definition, born 'of water'. The being born 'of spirit' is the Born Again imagery and His Work, in us, to complete our full 'birth', ala Scottie's picture of the Rapture completing our being Born Again.
In this context, I find it interesting that the picture used of the Lord to echo his Rev 12 moment and the 'changing in the twinkling of an eye' of us all, happens "in front of the Water Gate", how appropriate. In like manner to Jeff Black's comments, above, "Think corruptible putting on incorruption" we see the 'gathering', a picture of the moment we are all "born Again" into the Spirit, this time, happens "in front of the Water Gate". Well, of course it does.
Taken to its simplest linguistics, and perhaps it is a bit of a poetic stretch, but the Water Gate here can be thought of as symbolic of the Gate, or place of entrance, where "water" lives/exists. In this picture, 'water' is the symbol of the incarnation of the flesh. Again, we are all 'Born into" water when we are physically born. So, to wrap this up ...
The assembly of the elect, into the Holy City, upon the Call of the Lord, at The Feast of Trumpets, the anniversary of this time as seen above, happens "in front of the Water Gate". In front of, that is to say: Before the watching eyes of the world (Water Gate) and at the summation of our own, individual experience wrestling with the flesh (our personal Water Gates), we are GATHERED, like the children of Israel, as one man, "in front of the Water Gate", confronted with The Law (overcoming until He calls, "Occupy until I come"), and then called OUT and into the city of our gathering.
Isn't our Bridegroom's flair for nuance amazing (Prov 25:2) ?
Jimboni
Dear Jimboni, deep thoughts, thank you so much for your input! What also comes to my mind is the joyful 'Water Ceremony' at Sukkot / Tabernacles! :) Much blessings to you
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DeleteOK, I posted this addition 2 other threads, here, as I couldn't find the right one. So, here (again) is this incredible little nugget which Our Beloved delivered to my eyeballs this morning:
DeleteBut wait, there's MORE. Posting is popping about Nehemiah 8 as a picture of the rapture:
(2) So on the first day of the seventh month Ezra the priest brought the Law before the assembly, which was made up of men and women and all who were able to understand. 3He read it aloud from daybreak till noon as he faced the square before the Water Gate in the presence of the men, women and others who could understand.
1st Day, 7th month, all the people GATHERED, AS ONE MAN, in the Holy City. OK I get that. One detail folks, including myself, have been digging into is "The Water Gate".
Latest finds include that The Water Gate was built so water could ESCAPE from the temple springs and not flood the temple. This is the ONLY main gate built to allow an ESCAPE get it?). As we await for the Woman's WATER to break, before delivery, opening her "water gate", check this out:
The Great American Eclipses that cross at the New Madrid Fault line? What, pray tell, is the meaning of "Madrid"? Glad you asked, wait for it, wait for it ....
Madrid, as we know, is the capitol of Spain, and, "The name of the city, however, hints at its Arabic roots: "Madrid" comes from "al-majrit," meaning "the water channel." (http://www.islamicity.com/travel/spain/city_madrid.asp)
MADRID = THE WATER CHANNEL
You have GOT to be kidding, right?
Nope
Thank you for finding that out about the water gate. After a little googling, I found out it is on the east side, meaning it faces the Mount of Olives. The "escape" could also be referring to the escape of the Jewish people through the Mount of Olives when Christ stands on it. Currently, the Jews congregate at the Western Wall. They have created a ramp up to the top of the wall, to access the temple mount. When I look at a live webcam of that site, I see all the Jews literally huddled at the wall, like a siege, and the ramp looks exactly like a rampart. Coupled with the current events happening on the temple mount, it all seems to point to the Jews laying claim to the temple mount between now and 1 Tishri (Sept 21). Possibly even doing a sacrifice there, which would push the Muslim world over the brink, and fulfill Luke 21:20, followed by the Son of Perdition standing in the temple of God (or maybe a temple of a god?), showing himself to be God. At the conclusion of those events, Jesus then stands on the Mount of Olives (us with him) and it splits in two. The Jews who did not call on the name of the Lord yet survived great tribulation escape toward the east. Later on, a river will literally flow in that direction. Their escape takes place during the feast of Booths, where they will be reminded of their ancestors who escaped through the parting of the sea, as they escape through the parting of the Mount of Olives. Then they will live in the wilderness where they will be taken care of for 42 months, reminded of their ancestors who lived in the wilderness for 40 years.
DeleteIf this does all align, I wonder if we will see Ezra 3:6 take place in Israel 22 sept...
ReplyDeleteI was wondering the same thing.
DeleteInteresting............................................................... : )
DeleteI love how near the end of Ezra, governors surrounding Israel got upset about the Jews rebuilding their wall. They told on the Jews to the King of Babylon saying the Jews weren't going to pay taxes to the King. The Jews fired a letter to the King saying to find the records from Cyrus. The King found the older records and then told the governors that the Jews were not only allowed to build the wall, but the governors were going to pay for it !!! HAHAHAHA! TRUMP 2020!! There is so much linking this old past with today it's crazy!
DeleteI see nothing is mentioned that the Revelation 12 Sign takes place on Sept 23, 2017 and that 33 days prior is the Great American Eclipse.
ReplyDeleteConcerning spiritual reversals of time, there may be another one in Daniel 9. The first fulfilment of the 70 weeks was in "weeks of years," and was 7 weeks of years and then 62 weeks of years. The second fulfillment looks to have started in 1947, where it was fulfilled spiritually as 62 years and then 7 years. There may be a third fulfillment of 70 days (I do not know for sure). If there is such it could be fulfilled as 62 days from July 23 (which is Sept 23), and then 7 more days to Yom Kippur on Sept 30. ... I would be remiss not to say I'm post-trib, pre-wrath. Yet I also believe the first four seals to be opened, so I share with you all that the next thing we will see is the rapture. However, I believe that from Sept 20 to the 30 will be a time of great tribulation for the people of Israel, starting with armies surrounding Jerusalem and ending with a great earthquake ten days later, with signs in the heavens. I believe God has made it this way to save as many Jews as possible. Many Jews will call on the Name of the Lord during that time, and they will go with us.
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