The Chuck Missler / Kim Clement Connection
I watched a fascinating interview yesterday between Chuck Missler and Kim Clement. If you haven't heard of him, Kim Clement considered himself a modern prophetic voice up until he died last year. I was always weary of Clement... but others I respect held some of what he said in high regard. I never realized that Chuck Missler was one of these people.
In the first video you will see an interview between these two men who become friends in the past few years. Clement admits freely that he was way off on his eschatology for years and years, until the day he prayed that God would send him "the best" to teach him the truth about the end times. Shortly after that prayer God connected him with Chuck Missler. Watch what he has to say and listen to the story about how they got connected...
How does this connect with the Revelation 12 Sign you may ask? Well, if you are on YouTube much I am sure you have had a Trey Smith video pop up. Trey creates unique and stylized documentaries about many subjects others won't touch. Last year he made one about the Sept 23rd Sign... which was heavily focused on a word by Kim Clement which seems to clearly reference the Revelation 12 Sign. At the time I chose not to share the video, but now after seeing Kim's late in life connection with Chuck Missler I am wondering if these words need to be taken more seriously. Could God have legitimized Clement by connecting him one of the most rock solid teachers of our day? Watch the videos and respectfully share your thoughts below.
In the first video you will see an interview between these two men who become friends in the past few years. Clement admits freely that he was way off on his eschatology for years and years, until the day he prayed that God would send him "the best" to teach him the truth about the end times. Shortly after that prayer God connected him with Chuck Missler. Watch what he has to say and listen to the story about how they got connected...
How does this connect with the Revelation 12 Sign you may ask? Well, if you are on YouTube much I am sure you have had a Trey Smith video pop up. Trey creates unique and stylized documentaries about many subjects others won't touch. Last year he made one about the Sept 23rd Sign... which was heavily focused on a word by Kim Clement which seems to clearly reference the Revelation 12 Sign. At the time I chose not to share the video, but now after seeing Kim's late in life connection with Chuck Missler I am wondering if these words need to be taken more seriously. Could God have legitimized Clement by connecting him one of the most rock solid teachers of our day? Watch the videos and respectfully share your thoughts below.
The battle of Afrin has begun with Erdogan promising to move on to Manjib and Erbil. The Russians have pulled out of Syria allowing for Turkey and Iran to move on in. The real goal is Israel and Jerusalem which Obadiah and Joel clearly state will be taken before the day of the Lord. What will people even on this site do should that occur ( as a believe it will ) prior to the rapture ? How many people are ill prepared because they have bought into the error of a European antichrist even though we are told that the body of the beast comes from an area comprised of Babylon, Persia, and Greece. Last I checked the only areas that all three dominated were no where near Western Europe. We need to be as wide and narrow as the bible is and only look for those things that the bible directly or indirectly be clear and necessary inference points us to.
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Thank God for the great cloud of witnesses who have gone before us and left records on how to think biblically .
The Westminster Confession of Faith (1:6) The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man’s salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. 1648
Joel Richardson has some great geographical/historical information as to why the AC has to come from modern day Turkey.
DeleteThe Holy Spirit admonished me to stop watching Clement years ago. During the 2008 Presidential campaign I would frequent Clement's site for prophecies about the next president. I started feeling the familiar discomfort the Holy Spirit gives me ( I call it an "agitation") in my spirit. I continued for a while, but then the warning from the Lord became too strong to ignore.
ReplyDeleteClement would give "prophecies" clearly pointing to a particular candidate. But, like a good charlatan, kept them sufficiently vague to provide "deniable plausibility". For example, he said "the prince who watched over NY during 9/11" would be the next president. Obviously, anyone would assume Rudy Giuliani. He was considered a frontrunner at the time. But then Giuliani dropped out and Clement gave a new "prophecy" about the " hot-blooded one" . Clearly a reference to McCain, but not stated overtly.
When Sarah Palin burst on the scene, he said a "fire from Alaska" would enter the White House, shake it up and it would become a house of prayer. Well, obviously his "prophecies" were all wrong. But he denied it saying he never actually said those specific people by name.
He gave warnings about Obama, yet when Obama won , Clement held a special live emergency broadcast from his "prophet's den". I watched the whole thing and was stunned that he took credit for Obama's win, said "don't worry, he's gonna be a great president!" Later at other events, Clement referred to himself as "the prophet who prophesied him (Obama) into the White House."
There's a whole lot more that could be said that is troubling about Clement, but people should just listen to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
I've had two dreams about Clement that sealed my decision to stay away from him.
In the first, I was at one of his "concerts or prophetic gatherings."
The guitarist struck a hard, crunching chord like in a heavy metal number.
Clement told the guy to "prophesy!" The singer let out a shrill scream like Axl Rose.
I turned to the person next to me and said "That is a demon." End
Next dream: Clement was in a mall doing his shtick, i.e. rambling , improvised, music and alleged prophesying. I pointed my finger at his face and said forcefully "Satan! Satan! You are Satan"!
I got so close that he bent over backwards and I was bent completely over him, yelling "You are Satan!"
As I walked off, my feet lifted several inches off the ground and I felt an exhilarating energy and effortlessness in moving. ( I've experienced this lifting up in three other dreams, one where I received a prophetic word for a friend).
In the next scene , Clement was walking through the mall disheveled, mumbling and smoking. I once again pointed at him and said "Satan!" and glided away with my feet off the floor. End.
You may say he repented, but when I started to watch this video the Lord once again told me "Turn it off." So I did.
Wow, thanks for sharing that Kathy. I have a vague memory of trying to watch him one time and turning it off because I felt uncomfortable. I was willing to give him another chance just now until I saw your testimony. I think I'll stay away.
DeleteAgree with you Kathy. Kim has proven himself a false prophet time and time again, and should be treated with extreme caution/discernment. I am of the opinion that once a highly acclaimed prophet has been proven 'false', he should step down from Ministry and look to be faithful in other areas, as it is not just the credibility of the prophet that is lost, but the name of the Lord is ridiculed by unbelievers.
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Thanks for sharing. I just heard about Kim's prophecy about Trump, and I couldn't quite understand it. Perhaps it's Kim's ambiguity is his m.o.
DeletePerhaps Kim's ambiguity is his m.o.*
DeleteI forgot to add that when you are prophesying you are supposed to be giving a word from the Lord - NOT your own word . Your own understanding of eschatology should be irelevant if you are a true and obedient prophet. God is not confused about eschatology. If you are a prophet, your word will be accurate. Period.
ReplyDeleteSo while Clement may have been corrected factually, this says nothing about his actual repentence from falsely speaking for the Lord.
And by the way, Chuck Missler is not God.
Kim Clement was part of a movement that taught 'prophet wantabes' via some sort of 'school for prophets'. Immediately I see an error that seems to be rampant in today's churches. The gifts of the Spirit are GIVEN, not LEARNED. 1 Cor 12:8-11, "For to one is GIVEN BY THE SPIRIT the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally AS HE WILL'. 1 Cor 14:36-40, "What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I [Paul] write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order."
ReplyDeleteThe gift of prophecy will ALWAYS be the Word of God, and it will ALWAYS point to the Lord Jesus. No true prophet of the Lord puts on a show, or desires to be in the spotlight. He is talking for God, WHO IS THE WORD, (Jn 1:1). Because of this idea that there are ways to 'learn' to become a prophet, people are being led away by their vain imaginations.
Jer 23:21-28, "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran:
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
But if they had stood in my counsel,
and had caused my people to hear my words,
then they should have turned them from their evil way,
and from the evil of their doings.
Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord,
and not a God afar off?
Can any hide himself in secret places
that I shall not see him? saith the Lord.
Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.
I have heard what the prophets said,
that prophesy lies in my name,
saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully".
Faith comes by hearing and hearing, by the Word of God. If you want to hear God, go to the Scriptures and ASK for understanding and wisdom. ASK to grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus. HE is the TEACHER, who leads and guides into all truth, and who will correct us if we err. Trust in Him. Follow HIM, and be very careful about accepting men's persons, especially those claiming 'special knowledge' because they are Jews. This is something that's been rooted in the church since the first century. Paul's writings deal with it extensively. Saying goodbye to the churches in Acts 20 he says this, vs 28-31, " Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears".
Amen : To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them Isaiah 8:20.
DeleteThis comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteSong of Solomon 2:12 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/song-of-solomon-2-12.html
Check your spelling in the title of the article, Brad. =81
ReplyDeleteHow Embarrassing! Thanks Greg!
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ReplyDeleteBrad Hurst,
ReplyDeleteWhat will happen if we are wrong and several things and events turn out differently then what we’ve assumed/expected? The Lord Jesus is still on His throne at the right hand of the Father, we are still saved and under His wings, and we still have our great helper the Holy Spirit who’s teaching us continuously and who’ll lead us into all truth no matter what. We can count on them all the time. On the other hand, you should also consider that there’s also the possibility that your assumptions are the wrong ones, (since none of us are unerring, only the Lord).
Kim Clement is a false prophet. Chuck Missler joined 7 mountains dominion group at the end. Sad. Infiltrated!
ReplyDeleteMaybe you guys should revisit his prophetic words. As someone who has met him before he was "famous" I can vouch that he was the real deal and loved Jesus with all his heard and was called to America. He was a real prophet and gift to those who have ears to hear.
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