Blood Moon Updates From Gary and Daniel
Gary at Unsealed.org just put up a new article breaking down the lunar eclipse this week and how it ties into all the things happening right now leading up to Israel's 70th anniversary of its rebirth. Its a great summary and shows so much evidence of God's handiwork on all the events spiraling around us. Here is an excerpt and a link.
http://www.unsealed.org/2018/01/super-blue-blood-moon-impending-70th.html
Daniel Matson also just released a new video breaking down the uniqueness of this upcoming Blood Moon and all of the day counts pointing to it which could make a significant marker. As he says in his description, this video shows "the countdown leading to 1/31/2018 to 2/2/2018 from a number of historical and prophetic signs."
Joel 2:31 and Acts 2:20 tell us that the order of celestial events preceding the Day of the LORD will be a darkened sun, followed by a blood moon. If the Great American Eclipse was the darkened sun piece of the puzzle, perhaps this blood moon is the missing piece, which could mean the Day of the LORD begins soon, perhaps even this year. What makes this Super-Blue-Blood Moon even more amazing is that approximately two-thirds of the world's population will be able to see some or all of the total phase of the eclipse.Here is the link:
http://www.unsealed.org/2018/01/super-blue-blood-moon-impending-70th.html
Daniel Matson also just released a new video breaking down the uniqueness of this upcoming Blood Moon and all of the day counts pointing to it which could make a significant marker. As he says in his description, this video shows "the countdown leading to 1/31/2018 to 2/2/2018 from a number of historical and prophetic signs."
Thank you Brad, I've read and watched this! Gary gives amazing summary, and Dan gives very convinced latest diagrams! Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteThank the Lord for our Watchmen and women. These folks are such an inspiration. My sense of expectation is so much richer than it was 4 months ago. John 4:35
DeleteLet us all be ready to go, Family, in the twinkling of an eye.
Yes Sheila beloved, brother Todd on ITISFINISHED has also fastened seatbelts in his latest video, very exciting!! :=D
DeleteThat was pretty awesome, Annabel!
DeleteTY. It’s just gotta be time. Much Love to you across the sea,
Sister C;-)
ahhhh more 58+ minute long youtube clips that some of us don't have time for...anyone care to summarise on our behalf??
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Hi Ryan. Brother Todd compiled his recent clips with those of some other Watchmen to demonstrate the Lord’s confirming work and he did it with some fun high-speed imagery to stress how fast it’s all moving. I scrolled
Deletethru ones I had already seen in the interest of time and still caught the gist.
Very encouraging:-)
thanks Sheila, I managed to squeeze it down to 5 minutes. Rev 3:11 - a great one for us to continue to bring to remembrance. Unfortunately for the third time in a row, it was overcast during the blood moon last night so we didn't get to see a thing.
DeleteSo sorry, Ryan. Fog rolled in here before it could set, but I did see most of what we got here. I saw a good pic or 2 from Australia, though @
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Hi all, it's very interesting the new stuff in Dan's Facebook – "Moon position this morning 24 hours before the eclipse and then at the moment of the eclipse with the moon next to the Beehive in Cancer—the multitudes, the folds, encircled and protected. …" with pictures of Planetarium, gives hope really! The Lord is coming for us! Looking up!
ReplyDeleteThis is such a wonderful video and incredible when you look at the signs, signs, signs Our Father has given us to know the Season. We will know shortly if January 31st is a Road Sign or an Exit. Either way, very, very exiting time to be alive. Blessings - Sherry
ReplyDeleteAmen to that, Sherry!
DeleteHas anyone mentioned this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl8UE1IRaxY&t=1428s
ReplyDeleteI think this guys website should be added to key resources on the left side of this page.
It is www.clearlywritten.com
Also, daniel11truth.com would be a good one for the left column.
I haven't commented much in a while, but I am still near, following along, waiting on the Lord expectantly. Shalom!
correction:
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Hey, Miguel, TY and you’ve been missed. Always appreciated your Brotherly insights.
DeleteYes, Gods warrior has been pointing everyone to that
Brother’s site at clearlywrittendotnet
but I think it can be stressed again. Very
good compilation of pertinent info there. I think his name is Darren. Be blessed and please keep chiming in. It’s good to know you’re out there, in what for some of us, has become the last bastion of real fellowship and encouragement on this side of time:-)
Maranatha!
Many blessings sister Sheila i have been reading the comments on the past posts and it is truly amazing how our father in heaven is showing us just how amazing he is and how all these signs all connect to each other, it's truly amazing i go from one page , channel and news outlet and everyone is finding or seeing things that all are connected to our heavenly father and we being children of the day or light will not be lost in the dark as we are all holding hands while we all give one another one nugget from each other as the pieces of the puzzel are all falling into place perfectly and im 40 in july and my mom called me right after the eclipse in august and told me son i never thought i would be alive to see these end time signs and i agree i thought maybe my great great grandkids but over the past year 2017 i have seen so many signs that it is hard to keep up with all of them , many are worried about this flu and rightfully but also something i have noticed with some people i witness to at my work some of them listen to me but then they say well I dont want the rapture I want to see my kids grow up in this world and see my grandkids and i think wow you want your kids to grow up in what this world is now , i dont know about everyone else but when i was a kid it wasnt anything lile what i see today , but yea I am not sure what to say to those who say well its not gonna be for another million years and i want to see my kids griw up it almost feels to me as if their being selfish or they arent really saved or they just arent ready to go they would rather be here in all this satan filled world fueled by hate and the growing change of society with swingers and lovers of self and men having babies and now they have sex robots it just really is blowing my mind how fast everything is changing ! Did you know 1/3 of earth will be in path of this moon eclipse
DeleteI just want to echo a plea to add clearlywritten.net to the quick links. Please Brad =) ?
Delete"Hey, Miguel, TY and you’ve been missed. Always appreciated your Brotherly insights." Same here, good to hear from you Brother! :--)
Delete"...and i think wow you want your kids to grow up in what this world is now" I'm totally puzzled by that too, God's warrior. This world becomes more and more horrific by breakneck speed!
DeleteShiela B and Nora. Thank you! Be encouraged my good sisters. We are very close. May our prayers increase and our lights shine bright in these last few hours.
DeleteAmen, Miguel! :--)
DeleteAmen, Miguel!
DeleteIn ways Isaiah 45 has caught my eye , Trump is the 45th presedent ! Isaiah chapter 45 is a good read as it seems as though Cyrus died at age 70 and Trump was 70 when he became president like Cyrus passed the paton to Trump to rebuild the temple or as we see to divide the land as it looks like both will be happening very soon ! War then peace ? Then the rebuilding of the temple but i have heard rumor that the foundation will be laid 2018 !
ReplyDeleteBrothers and sisters i dont know if you have seen it yet or not but there is a company called sweet Jesus ice cream with lots of satanic symbols onpointperparedness YT has it on there ! Also Trump is to give his first state speech what same night as the superbluebloodmoon very interesting indeed ! We are living in amazing times and lets not forget the EU is holding that emergency meeting on palastine and Israel same time as Trumps speech, and I would like to ask a question to my brothers and sisters, A what do you think of the books that were left out of the bible like enoch and maccabees and others as i hear many talking about them there is even one brother who uses the book of enoch for a time line he has made and he still goes by the gospel but has a different look at end times and who what and why and i do as my mom told me and use dicernment only way to be safe ? And B Who is it that was able to decide what books got left out was it the roman catholic and why? I have always heard they weren't concidered to be the word of God ? Also was there a paricular book that is for the last generation ?
ReplyDeleteGod’s warrior, kinda like watching a pinball machine trying to keep your eye on that little steel ball binging around, huh? Glad to hear your Mom is awake to things. We all get that about them wanting to live their lives out in this crazy, declining world.
DeleteIt’s called willful blindness and is total disillusionment.
Pray for them to be awakened.
I’d be terrified for my younguns if I didn’t know the Lord is coming. We just had a bout with the stupid school today because a 5 yr old has been out sick a total of 5 days this year and they want him to go to counseling over the importance of school attendance and participate in community service.
They actually sent a threatening letter. His mother is a schoolteacher, so attendance is already naturally important to her.
Now this is a prime example of real buffoonery! (She let loose on them, too)
I did see that satanic ice cream store stuff and their disgusting use of children in their ads. Scary business but they are full bore front and center with it now. Another big sign for us going Home!
I was saved at the age of 40. I like to think of it as when the Lord called me out of the wilderness and into His
Promiseland:-)
Anyway, years ago I studied the Canonization of the Bible and I don’t remember all of the details. But there’s a lot of info available on that. I do think there is value to be gained from some of the Apochryphal books, especially Enoch and Jasher which are cited in Scripture. The Maccabees and others are good for cultural and historical context. But I also think much discernment is required as, unlike the canon of Scripture, there are many questions as to the precision of these supplemental
Books. Tim LaHaye did some good expository work on the Book of Enoch, trying to separate the original from the tampering. No worries, tho. We’ll all know everything we need to and more very soon. Love you much Brother and finish strong!
Maranath!!!
I got an email from a pastor who wrote the following:
Delete"Pastor Bob
The link to my book "The Inspired Word of God" is yours at no cost and the link is: http://jesusisthewaythetruththelife.com/node/123 - Click and it will take you to 12 chapters in PDF format."
Anyways, this free download book sealed the deal for be only putting my trust in the 66 books in the KJV Bible.
Pastor Bob gives many examples, but I particularly like that Isaiah has 66 chapters, which seem to correlate to each book of the Bible.
If you have the time, check out the free download and let me know what you think.
Brandon, I do agree that we can with certainty put our complete trust in the 66 Books of the canonized Scripture
DeleteALONE. The supplemental Books are just that and must be considered with discernment and dismissed whenever there is
contradiction with the Holy Scriptures.
I am aware that these Apochryphal books are being put forth lately as some are seeking after deeper knowledge.
Something to be very careful with, esp. regarding those newer to the Body of Christ. While I have read some of them myself, it is never to be read with the same Authority that we look to in the Holy Scriptures. I believe that had our God wanted them included, they surely would have been included, and they weren’t. Thank you and Many, Many
Blessings, Brother:-)
Thank you so much sister Shiela B i totally agree with you i too have studied some of the book of enouch just for deeper cultural but with discernment but my main go to is my bible kjv that my mother gave me when my grand father passed away , i had a very horrible childhood as im sure many others have and God was who i talked to all through life mostly asking him why why why but through my struggles i grew and learned things as i went on my path and had been in and out of many different churchs growing up and i hate to say it but not one church i attended growing up gave me the gospel i did not learn how to be saved and what the gospel was till my later years in life as God hit me in the head and woke me up and i began to read and contacted my mother and me and my parents have been seperated since i wad a kid but now me and my mom talk every sunday and its always about scripture and these end time signs and its truly a blessing! Thank you so much for the encouraging words and yes schools are very evil kids are mean to each other and i can barely remember prayer in school but now they groom our kids to choose if they are a boy in a girls body or vice versa its dark dark days and things are moving so fast its exciting but hard to keep up , its truly sad how far this world has fallen and anyone who thinks trump will fix the world and everyone will sing kumbayaah or want their kids to grow up in this evil world are as yoiu said! Oh i just finished watching a video on YT from today a 7 year old beats his teacher snd taken to jail in hand cuffs in florida , and a teen used a knife to carve a teenage girl for a satanic ritual at a house crazy ! Things are only gonna get worse but soon were going home amen !
DeleteI agree with Sheila on the apocryhpal books, better to stick to the canonised Scripture, I truly believe that the Lord made all the necessary books included there and be cautious with the apocryphal books, using great discernment while reading them.
Delete"We just had a bout with the stupid school today because a 5 yr old has been out sick a total of 5 days this year and they want him to go to counseling over the importance of school attendance and participate in community service."
How crazy is that!!! (In my country children considered mature for school around 6-7 years old of age. I know a very good child psychologist who said that even at that age they shouldn't be burdened with much school-wise.)
Jeremiah, you can also watch a good video comment about the "Sweet Jesus" blasphemy on the BARRY SCARBROUGH YouTube channel. Blessings, brother! :)
DeleteThank you sister Annabell im subscribed to brother Barry awesome video !
DeleteOh btw my mom named me out of the bible ,i'm Jeramiah and im from north carolina !
ReplyDeleteI think.its ok to read some of the other books for deeper knowledge as long as we know the gospel , dont let it change doctrine and we know how to decern scripture and the most important thing is the gospel of our savior Jesus Christ amen nothing will change that ever ! Your right sister very soon we will know everything ! My mom said she cant wait to find out how jonah lived in the fish 3 days and nights !
ReplyDeleteWell, Jeramiah from N. Carolina, I’m glad to know you are my Brother. On this side of time, I guess you’d be my little Brother.
DeleteSo many of us did not have the benefit of a normal home, or even a safe home growing up and it’s really amazing we even survived. But what we urchins did have was The Almighty God of all creation who knew us from the womb
(Jer.1:5a)and had a plan for us. And here we are!
I try to look back on all of those sad, lonely lost in the world experiences in the “wilderness” as a sort of internship.
And when the time was right, He called us out, revealed His saving Grace and Mercy to us knowing we would be more than conquerors through Him that loved us. Rom.8:37
And we are about to meet Him face to face. Looking up from rural Texas.
Let’s go home, Jeramiah!
P.S. check out Bro. Todd’s vid titled
DeleteURGENT Prophetic Shift into High Gear
@ It Is Finished.
Is thatba website or YT channle?
DeleteYTC
DeleteI found it watching it now thank you sister :)
DeleteBrother Todd posted a great video compilation of watchmen/women on the super red/blue moon and the accelerating prophetic events:
ReplyDeleteURGENT Prophetic Shift into High Gear @ Super BlueBlood Moon 31/1 (Tu B' Shevat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC5lqE76Exk
I saw the full moon yesterday evening app. 6pm above my place in Germany, it was no simulator but the REAL moon this time; it was really big but not yet 'reddish' because this was 1/30 of course 1 day prior. Tonight, I'm not sure how to watch because we're again heavily chemtrailed whereas yesterday skies cleared up a bit. But during the day I also saw multiple stellar bodies beneath / around the sun when the simulator wasn't able to hide everything... (LOL!) Interestingly, the latest "WSO" YouTube channel compilation on current sky photographs showed again bright PINK light all over even from Int'l Space Station captures, really impressing. No doubt about a "red/pink dragon" out there...
ReplyDeleteI wanted yet to point out some interesting developments in SPACE regarding the "War In Heaven" issue - please take note of this recent zerohedge article: PENTAGON PREPARES FOR NEXT GLOBAL CONFLICT WHICH COULD START IN OUTER SPACE (click!) Well, ring a bell? This is another "layer" of reading through Revelation 12:7-9 MARANATHA! Blessings to all family! :)
Annabel, I’m guessing that would have smth to do with all of these rocket launches lately. Feb. 16 is an interesting day to end the 3 week excersize as it is the onset of the Chinese Lunar New Year of The Dog.
Delete(Reminds me of dogs of war)
I got up at 5 am after only 2 hrs of sleep to catch the SBB moon. It was worth it just knowing it’s significance. But before it could set, the fog rolled in pretty heavy.Got to see most of it though:-)
Anxious to see what this day brings!
TY and Blessings!
@ timeanddate.com, there are some awesome pics of the SBB moon posted from around the world. It said they would be putting up a video of the entire event soon:-)
DeleteAnnabel, I live in the southern United States and I have noticed some chemtrailing down here, but not as much as you've had in Germany apparently. We still have some clear sky days. Why do you think it's worse in areas in Europe or Mexico?
DeleteI dunno, Brian. I live in South Central Texas and they hit us pretty heavily on any day that starts out clear and blue. I watch them and usually by 2 pm, we are hazy and overcast. Everyone here has respiratory issues all of the time
Deleteand allergy meds no longer help. Scary where our kids are concerned.
Shelia, I live in Louisiana. Exactly who ARE these people? Is Nibiru really that close? Otherwise, what are they hiding? And why do you think it's worse on some days than others?
DeleteSorry for all the questions, lol
Dear Brian, regarding your chemtrailing questions I quite don't know. I think "they" (whoever that is in each nation) can't control every area on earth every day now - they sprayed it into the atmosphere and now wind and natural jet streams do spread it out, sometimes irregularly I guess. I don't know much about the techniques they use but electromagnetic devices can control the particles up there to cause major weather events like hurricanes, droughts, blizzards or other. I recommend watch Dane Wigington on YouTube (geoengineeringwatch.com). Blessings to you! :)
DeleteI’ve heard Raytheon has a lot to do with it and I hear the planes fly out of an Oklahoma AFB. All I know is contrails dissipate and chem trails disperse and disperse and disperse....also everyone here seems to get weird skin rashes a lot or thinning hair that isn’t normal. Thyroid problems are getting way worse too as well as memory issues. Whatever they are spraying is not good and they don’t care. Prayer is our one and only covering and we need to be doing it every day;-)
DeleteMaranatha!
Here's a link from the Griffith Observatory. Scrub to around 33:00 to hear a very interesting "Dragon" reference
ReplyDeletehttps://livestream.com/GriffithObservatoryTV/LunarEclipseJanuary2018/videos/169563307
There has been 163 days from the eclipse to now.
ReplyDeletehttp://biblehub.com/str/greek/163.htm
From 161 - 164 means to capture. However, 160 means Suddenly!
http://biblehub.com/str/greek/160.htm
THIS IS BIG GUYS!
TY, Full Course!
DeleteI’m smiling:-)
I like that!
Delete164- captive(is tomorrow the 164th day?), 165 (Friday)-an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.
166 (Saturday)- agelong, eternal, 167- uncleaness, 168- filthiness, 169-impure
(Sorry for that, maybe/probably it doesn't have any significance, it's just fun.)
My math is off by 1, at the end of today it will be day 164, 166 (Friday)- agelong, eternal.
DeleteIt's possible the Jesus comes in the clouds, takes us up and on Saturday (Sabbath) He rests and what's left on the world is 167- uncleaness, 168- filthiness, 169-impure.
(That's just a shot in the dark but it's worth getting excited about.)
Great thanks Full Course! It's amazing math! Would you write please a brief story of these numbers from 160 to 169 with Bible references? I'm looking now in the biblehub! Much Blessings!
DeleteDear family, here's another article for you if you're rather the soberly reasoning kind of Christian... WHY WE SHOULD (& SHOULD NOT) BE EXCITED ABOUT TODAYS BLOOD MOON Have fun reading! MARANATHA :))
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing sisters and brothers, i am very interested in seeing what this fabuary brings after this day comes to a close , i would like to set a link something you guys may want to watch with decernmemt , https://youtu.be/ev67mqQV_CE
DeleteAnnabel, Hi sister!, the article you just linked claims that looking at lunar eclipses as a sign from God is equivalent to "skulduggery". This means some kind of unscrupulous behavior. So, it's tone is a little rough.
ReplyDeleteI am sure the writer intends that rough tone as he is reprimanding watchers for sometimes looking foolish and make sometimes strained, illogical connections. However, I would counter him with, be careful where you stand... lest you fall... (1 Cor 10:12 paraphrase).
(please note, my tone here is one of thoughtful discussion, not criticism.) Here is my challenge: there are two extremes of interpreting the Biblical signs. On one extreme, a blood moon event would be obvious and blatant and no one would miss it. This is the writers stance. He believes that we are making errant predictions because we are watching natural, beautiful, God-created lunar cycles that are not intended as the described sign. He suggests these are to be enjoyed and not be read into.
I can understand his logic, but it could easily be wrong. Jesus often obscured things because people missed even the very blatant things. By obscuring them, it causes those of us who are truly seeking Him to find the clues and prove our loyalty and affection for Him. Maybe God will give us a bloody moon that rivals the best hollywood special effects anyone has ever seen and then we can say ohhhhh, that blood red moon!
Until then however, there is absolutely no convincing evidence that these eclipses and other signs are not God's still voice in the heavens speaking sweetly to those whom He loves. In fact the convincing evidence is in our (the watchers) favor. We have seen eclipses precede horrible events time and time again. At a time when these signs have increased, so have the events surrounding Israel, Jerusalem and world disasters. In fact, the west coast in the US just got the best view of the eclipse. If I were them, I would be ready for some calamity.
I accept the writers call to be logical. I also accept the writers call to be careful about misleading regarding dates and times. But I, for now, thoroughly reject the notion that seeing an eclipse as a sign is "skulduggery".
Annabel, if you meant to suggest that we need to be more logical in our understanding of signs and date setting, I would point right back to you and say the same regarding this so called "red dragon" "nibiru" "fake sun" stuff that is all over your posts. I personally do not subscribe to any of it. I have yet to see a single shred of good logical evidence. Not being mean. I just am not sure I can agree with your standpoint. Your brother in Christ.
Dear Miguel, this article was meant to give a full picture of perspective, nothing more, nothing less. I leave it up to you how to interpret the "super blood blue moon" of 1/31. Regarding myself, I can only tell that I'm still here and YES INDEED nothing really "happened"! So if people are inclined to set dates running to and fro between certain blood moon "dates" (= certain days) trying to combine or calculate them with rapture events odds I cannot tell I'm that enthusiastic either. I know we're in the SEASON though and that the "red dragon" you mentioned is REAL like a blood blue super moon. This article was meant to describe the feelings and attitude of those among us who try to keep sober and not get too exalted about counting days or observing certain cosmic events - just to complete the range of perspective. According to the experience we had on 9/23 last year I find this pretty reasonable. Much love and blessings, dear brother! :)
DeletePS: I recommend to watch the latest "WSO" videos about the worldwide sky photo compilations of January 2018 and especially the last "Jeff P" video of the sun missing in Switzerland on 1/14 - have fun in not believing it! :=D
I agree with Miguel. Following the logic of the author of this article, he has probably the same opinion on the Rev12 Sign. (Plus, if this guy sees this subject that way, what would he say about the Nibiru/Planet X theories indeed? I think he would be even more against that.)The one thing I’m agreeing with is that Paul Begley’s idea that this super blue/red moon itself will cause more dramatic earthquakes and catastrophes is kind of far-fetched. However, the lunar tetrads on Jewish feast days in the past is enough proof to me to refute the author’s claim. (Adding Dan Matson’s recognition of the precise numbers involved.)
DeleteDear Nora, you don't have to agree with the article, I dont with everything either. I just put it out to have the conversation balanced a bit. Jewish calendars are corrupted for centuries so I don't care about them anymore now since I learned more of them. The LORD shows His accuracy in history nevertheless but it's not the "blue blood super moon" I would hang my hat on. We're in Februar already you know... (although I love Dan Matsons findings!) Blessings, Dear! :)
DeleteThe Lord is using celestial events as signs including the blood moons like this recent one. All of that didn't lose anything from its validity or significance just because we're in February now. This super blue blood moon has appeared by the Lord's appointed time and we'll see what prophetic events will unfold in the future. Btw, except maybe one watchwoman, nobody said that the rapture will surely happen on the day of this super blood moon! (Even she said that the rapture might happen "around it" that could mean days. But I always take such things with a grain of salt, keeping in mind that we're all human and we could all be wrong, being mistaken that's something's from the Lord.)
DeleteA few watchmen mentioned it that this super blue blood moon is perhaps another signpost. What is it heralding is yet to be seen. That’s why I wrote that we can only wait and see what kind of prophetic events will unfold in the near and not so near future. (Although I don’t think that it’s been a coincidence that this EU summit on the peace process has happened on that same day.) I’d be definitely happy if that watchwoman and Dan Matson would be right and the rapture were day(s) away but we just can’t know that for sure. (Calculated timelines are also among the things that I take with a grain of salt, since we don't know how exactly the tribulation period will unfold, not to mention if there's a gap of time between the rapture and the start of Daniel's 70th Week.)
DeleteThank you sisters for both of your great perspectives. BALANCE, that's the real trick isn't it. Dates seem to be the thing that we get so hung up on, they're kind of intoxicating. We are called to be sober-minded. Deep down we know He IS coming, and we know that based on the signs and circumstances that it seems to be soon. That should be enough. But somehow we still get hung up on dates. We are but children. I find myself saying, oops! sorry Dad. :/ all too often. I say it with a genuine childlike faith while reaching for a hug. He says the same thing to all of us: I forgive you; keep seeking me dear child. Love you both.
DeleteMiguel, I’d like to ask something, I’m curious what you think. As you mentioned, at times we’re prone to be hooked on dates… thinking about it I feel so ambivalent about singling out special dates and high-watch times for the rapture! I know I’ve mentioned that already but I keep remembering that Jesus said that He comes at a time when we don’t expect Him coming so we must keep being watchful. At one hand considering high-watch times could be very energizing, comforting and encouraging, on the other hand there’s this thing that the Lord said and I’ve mentioned above. Scripture says that we are able to see the day approaching. At times it feels contradictory that we know that we’re in the season and we even could see the day of our complete redemption approaching as we’re witnessing prophetic events happening, at the same time Jesus said that He’ll come on a day when we won’t expect Him. I admit, I don’t understand that seemingly contradiction (or paradox) and I also keep thinking maybe He meant it for the tribulation saints (and about His Second Coming) and not for the Church but I’m not sure about that either! (I know there’s the passage where Jesus says that we won’t know *the day and the hour* and I’m aware that it could be meant to the previous verses about the restoration of earth (and His Second Coming) but when He says that He comes at a day when we don’t expect Him, that’s not the case.) What do you think about that issue?
Deletep.s. Adding to that paradox, there's also His admonition from Rev 3:3, "But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you." Plus we're not in darkness, so that day won't catch us totally unaware, yet there's what He says that He comes at a time when we don't expect it. I think that being aware of the season itself makes us expectant to some degree. "So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." (Matt 24:44) Maybe He simply meant that we don't know the exact HOUR of His coming and that's all and I over-complicated the whole thing! I checked Young's Literal translation for all the 3 verses I found (where He says that, 2 verses in Matthew and 1 in Luke) and He says *hour* in all of them.
DeleteFirst, I spend a lot of time praying for wisdom and understanding, because when I read these scriptures regarding His return, I find it all just as paradoxical as you do. The answer might be simple. It might have layers though too. I will try to explain that in a moment.
DeleteI am not certain yet whether we will know the week, month or even year of His return; however, I feel that as we get closer it becomes more and more in view. Right at this moment, my feeling is that we have the year figured out. I fully expect His return within the next ten or eleven months. I do not yet feel I have enough clues to narrow down the month or week with the same certainty. If, the red dragon became obvious and 1/3 of the stars began falling or if the antichrist became obvious or more developments related to the temple or abomination came into view, I would say that maybe the month or week would be in view.
I have seen some great analysis of scriptures that point to specific days (June 30, 2018 from daniel11truth.com for instance and some others in March, April and May), but I do not know. If we do pick a date and it turns out to be right, that does not mean we knew the day or the hour. "Not knowing the day and the hour" is one of these funny things Jesus said. It's funny because it has layers of possible meaning and it is extremely ambiguous. He knew that. We see this kind of ambiguity repeatedly in Scripture. I wish I had time to give examples. These scriptures have multiple interpretations. These multiple interpretations are not in any way an instance of God making a mistake in how He inspired His word. In fact, I believe they are totally on purpose. These multiple meanings compel, condemn, conceal and clarify in a way that a more straightforward answer could not.
Because the meaning is hard to understand, it compels servants like us to search Him out. Because the meaning can be misconstrued by those not seeking after His own heart, it can serve to condemn the self-seeking. Because the meaning is concealed, its integrity is preserved for the time it is to be revealed. Because the correct meaning is obvious when it is finally applied correctly, it can clarify or solidify with a beautiful profoundness that only God can.
So back to that statement about not knowing the day or hour. Even if we pick the right date, we won’t know that we got it right until we are raptured. So it’d still be a true statement. Secondly, most of the dates we have picked have a margin of at least 24 hours. So we might know the date within a day or two, but cannot know the exact day or hour. Even if scripture points strongly to midnight for instance, we don’t necessarily know if that means midnight in Israel, central US or even North Korea.
I think there are even more layers to that statement though. Telling us we do not know when He is coming does something profound in us if we really care. Someone who really cares, thinks to herself, let me continually live as He would have me live, since He might come any time. It should be a frightening thought to think about being caught in a lazy, lukewarm state when we meet our Holy and beautiful God.
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DeleteMatthew 24:36 seems to indicate that only God the Father knows the exact details and time. But does it indicate that it will always be that way up to the very second before the rapture? I think it is clear from the rest of passage and other scripture that as the hour approaches, we will have a clearer understanding that we are very close to His return. Does it indicate we cannot narrow the time down to at least within a few days? I don’t think that it indicates that; I think we can narrow it but we do have to be careful about getting ahead of ourselves.
Matthew 24:42-44 says keep watch and it says you won’t know what day he’s coming and that He will come at an hour we do not expect Him. This is a motivating statement, intended to keep us striving toward Him. But, it also might be a clue. It could be indicating that we are hanging by a thread of hope when He finally comes or that He will come sooner than we calculated.
I hope this is helpful in some way. It is just me thinking right along with you about all of this.
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts, Miguel!
Delete"... or that He will come sooner than we calculated." I've thought of that (with much hope) so many times!!! :D
"It should be a frightening thought to think about being caught in a lazy, lukewarm state when we meet our Holy and beautiful God." For me it's more of an (utterly) embarassing and very sad thought. And a sad possibility in general. I really hope that it won't be so but it could happen that he comes on one of my 'bad days'.
(p.s. I might add that I feel better to call it "lazy" and/or "giving much-much-much into the flesh" states than being "lukewarm" as I believe so that the lukewarm Laodiceans weren't real Christians aka born again believers.)
DeleteDear Miguel and Nora, TY for your kind approach to the topic of certain "dates" as a possible means to 'intoxicate our minds' while waiting. I fully understand what you both mean and agree with you both. Like you Miguel I think we now could at least break down the YEAR (2018) for our sweet LORD's return as I personally cannot imagine at all how things could not even more deteriorate accelerating within the next few months... He said in Rev3:11 "Behold, I come SOON+QUICKLY" (G5035 tachu = speedily, without delay, soon, readily, prompt, swift) that word combines both meanings but you only can translate and write down one of them, will say: AS SOON as the time/season (for His return) has arrived, then leading events will come to pass SUDDENLY, without anymore delay. This is exactly the course we're on right now, like getting caught up in the maelstrom of events that definitely lead to our very soon homecoming. We cannot buck the trend anymore. This is what Br. Todds video (= next thread on this site) about 'shifting prophetic high gear' expresses so well. Much love to you, MARANATHA!
DeleteAnd much love to you both as well. It is a real joy to examine His word together with you. (And all the community here).
DeleteNora, thanks for your clarification regarding "lukewarm". And I smiled, relating to your 'bad days' sentiment.
Annabel, the no sun on the fourteenth in Switzerland video you suggested is one of the best ones I have seen like that. I admit I am a bit of a Thomas when it comes to those vids, but I am definitely not rejecting it wholeheartedly. I think that soon, all the pieces will come together. We will know.
"And I smiled, relating to your 'bad days' sentiment." That warmed my heart, thank you, Miguel! :--)
DeleteAnnabel, I'm totally hoping for the same as you, the rapture is probably not far away! Brother Todd's "4 words-fullfillment" was truly encouraging just to name one of several things! One of the watchwomen I'm following also said that the Lord really put it on her heart that all the calendars are off as you also mentioned. But the Rev 12 Sign happened, so our exist could be near (not many more years away).
DeleteMiguel P, Just jumping in here, "These multiple meanings compel, condemn, conceal and clarify in a way that a more straightforward answer could not. " was an awesome nugget, well done. Isn't it amazing how our Wonderful Lord can so deftly conceal AND clarify at the same time with the same thing! Let those who have eyes to see open then and let the blind continue to bumble about mumbling about what clearly isn't there to be seen. Maranatha!
DeleteJimboni, brother. Thank you for the encouragement. So many times you have impressed me and taught me and even given me a good laugh. Bless you my friend.
DeleteI also would like to post this YouTube channle very interesting indeed ! https://youtu.be/gsitWeGu4iA
ReplyDeleteHi all, I've found a new Amir's update! Blessings!
ReplyDeleteThank you! :--)
DeleteAgreed Nora and Miguel I'm not dogmatic about exact rapture dates and take all that with a grain of salt , we are human after all and not perfected -YET. I AM dogmatic about believing those signs in the heavens ( blood moons , Rev 12 ), those I do believe was his way of saying WAKE UP people -I'm bringing this to a close. Miguel I read on that Daniel11truth.com website , it was very good - he believes as Hilary had posted in one article that most of the seals has already happened or is happening and that the 6th seal is the rapture- all makes logical sense.
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Well said Donna N. And, as far as the interpretation of the seals, I don't know for sure. A lot is still a mystery to me.
DeleteYeah me neither , I have mixed emotion both ways, maybe leaning toward they have or already happening - but not dogmatic about that either . What I do know is - we are close - we ARE going home - that's what matters.
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Nice to hear from you Miguel. I have been reading Matt 24 - 25 in the past few days. I have read John MacArthur (I have his study bible) and articles by Jack Kelley on this subject in the past. Because, it is confusing.
ReplyDeleteI have read that Jesus was speaking to the disciples in his humanity and that as he is now in Heaven he knows all these prophetic events timelines.
The belief of both John MacArthur and Jack Kelley is that the context is the 2nd coming. The parables are the tribulation saints. It has been criticized because times will be horrific and they will know Jesus is coming very soon.
Jack Kelley believes that there are an extra 75 days between the start of the great tribulation and the start of the millennium. In the parable of the 10 virgins Jack K. sees them as all sleeping and they wake up at the sign of the Son of Man and only five have the righteousness of Christ (oil). They are seeking to enter the millennium kingdom. Therefore, because there are these extra 75 days and they have to maintain their righteousness, they must stay awake. As you said as to his delaying his coming and/or coming sooner. Being ready.
The turmoil for us today, I think, is in ending up thinking we have to be doing something and leads many to get wrapped up in good works -
the evil and good servant parable etc. When you see it in the context of the 2nd coming, it seems like the parables and the no man knows the hour or day fall more into place. I think.
We have the Blessed Hope which is based on the mystery of Christ and coming for us while alive, with the dead being raised first.
Just what did the Apostle Paul say to those early Christians about the 'harpazo', the being changed when they worried they were in the tribulation because of the persecution they were living under?
Those against looking at the sun, moon and stars always use the verse on no one knows the day or hour. So, are they misunderstanding scripture?
The main thing is believing in Christ as our Savior. We are clothed in his righteousness.
I do think that some people/websites quote verses regarding the red blood moon etc as to the rapture, when I think it is referring to the end of the great tribulation just before Christ returns to earth, like when a third of the stars fall out of place from the heavens. I see that as very close to the end of the tribulation.
And, like you said, there are layers, and prophecies that are near and far in their meanings.
Cathi, I don't want to be a spoilsport but I doubt Jack Kelley got it right as I didn't know him at all and that's why I firstly always check out names and persons along with their doctrines on the internet. Shortly before Kelly apparently died from cancer in 2015, this discernment article about his false beliefs (click!) was released. It's a single blog entry OK I understand; but I then tend to check out more on my own if I read such opinion. I know that John MacArthur is a solid teacher even if he stumbled now and then when getting older (e.g. mark of the beast salvation false doctrine and other errors). But with Jack Kelley I just recommend to be at least cautious and hesitant about him if already his gospel foundation is a bad one (Easy Believism). The church saints CANNOT get into tribulation period, this is scriptural in many ways. If someone talks like this he exposes himself to be a false teacher of 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 Paul WARNED the brethren from. These people are sometimes hard to detect but in the end their message is all the same so that church saints can go through the 7 years tribulation period (or party). I do avoid such people and don't discuss their teachings to not confuse others. We have to stand firmly AGAINST all that does not agree with scriptures. MARANATHA!
DeleteAnnabel and guys,
DeleteI can assure everyone that Jack Kelley isn't a false teacher at all! I've studied his stuff for many-many years! None of us got everything perfectly right but regarding important basics, Jack Kelley is a biblically sound teacher! I'm aware of that article, it's simply an attack. Jack is a true brother in Christ!
Btw, *easy believism* is a term folks with works-based theology use against those of us who believe in *grace through faith* (just like Jack's online ministry was called) and in our *eternal security in Christ*.
Most of the time Epheisans 2:8 is what is attacked with the accusation of "easy believism". I've seen that too many times!
Dear Nora, I understand - no offense intended. I am just careful with anyone who wants to rob me from the blessed hope of the PRE-tribulation rapture which is absolutely certain and biblical. It can be a true brother or cannot be, I dunno. But what Kelley tells about church saints going into tribulation period (even partially) is flatout WRONG. Not every brother can teach about anything if this is not his gift from the LORD. You see, there are also "famous" teachers like MacArthur and everybody thinks he must have studied everything and know all things which is just NOT so. Many just want to answer certain expectations but haven't got any insight from God - nevertheless they try to write books about topics they didn't (yet) understand. That is my impression very often with those "big names". Not every good teacher knows every detail about ALL scripture so there will always be some lack of knowledge even with the best of them. 1 Corinthians 13:12 as always! Blessings, sister :)
DeleteNo worries Annabel, I get you!
Delete"But what Kelley tells about church saints going into tribulation period (even partially) is flatout WRONG."
Oh NO, please believe me Jack Kelley have never ever thaught that!!!! Never! If you've heard/read that about him, count it is a big fat flat-out lie! Dear goodness, Jack Kelley is one of the biggest defenders of the pre-tribulation rapture!
Trust me, Sis, I'd never embrace anyone's teaching who teaches that born again Church Age believers have to go through the tribulation!!!
Hi Annabel, I just typed all this stuff and lost it as I toggled back to one of E. Prata's links. So, I will just say now that I appreciate your graciousness in your response. I have since read Nora's comments. I have one question that I will ask her. Anyhow, I will say that I am familiar with E. Prata and I haven't been drawn to her site even tho she is quoted at Berean Research, a discernment ministry that I read. I am not familiar with J. Kelley not believing in a pre-trib. I see that the article that she referenced to a Q&A wasn't referring to believers going into the trib - if this is what you are referring to above, and as to how I took it - in that he was referring to a loved one who is a believer dying and an unbeliever remaining, and that person still had time to believe and they could be re-acquainted in Heaven (this not referring to the tribulation period).
DeleteI don't see the Gap Theory that Jack believes in as a gospel issue. The gutless grace article I don't think is saying he believes you can go on your merry way. To me, he is discussing saved by grace alone. Evenso, I still believe that only God can read a person's heart. The Lordship salvation issue is hotly debated.
I guess I said more than I was going to say. I was surprised when I first read you say that you didn't believe a person who has heard the gospel and enters the tribulation can be saved, as you have stated at other times and I guess I might add, with vigor. I realize that it is a new dispensation, but I believe that as long as a person has breath they can believe and I don't know what the point of time would be considered the cutoff as too late. For me, it is horrifying to consider. It brings me back to only God knows a person's heart. I was so hard-hearted and bitter at 18 I couldn't think straight. I had I guess 'heard' the gospel. But, I wasn't re-generated.
His Blessing,
Hi Nora, thanks for your input regarding Jack Kelley! I have a question on a comment by E. Prata and the copied material she showed (from Annabel's post above) - as to Jack having a dream, and writing down the words and then still believing it was from God because a day later he still thought it was from God ... The issue of 'hearing from God', 'dreams', a 'word of God' - the issue of illumination as Elizabeth Prata pointed out and linked to an article about it. I am concerned about this. His acting/believing this way if he is not supporting whatever it is with Scripture. I would appreciate your comments about this, Nora. Thanks!
DeleteCathi, I see no problem regarding that. Jack Kelley was always stressing the importance of being a good Berean and search the Scriptures for finding out if what anyone is saying is right or wrong and he always included himself, always! In my opinion, what the author of the 'accusing' articles did is what we call in my country "making an elephant out of a mouse". I'm usually very picky, alert and sensitive when it comes to discernment and rightly dividing the Scriptures. Of course I have a lot more to learn and my discernment isn't perfect since I'm a sinner but serious unbiblical practices and notions stand out to me most of the time! (What I didn't like is the tone of that article and certain attitudes in it. I remember it from years ago, I've deemed many things nonsense in it right then, knowing Jack's stance on things. And honestly, the gap-theory and young-earth theory... none of these things are crucially fatal "heresies" in my understanding.) That's all I could say.
DeleteThanks, Nora! I appreciate your taking the time to address this issue. I could hardly read that copy she had of a comment/ blog by J. Kelley that E. Prata said was no longer available on his site. I questioned if this was everything he had said as I read it. I do believe the scriptures are illuminated to us as we read His Word. All the talk today of God told me, I heard and all of this - it is questionable to me if they even know the Word.
DeleteYour phrase was funny - making an elephant out of a mouse! We say - making a mountain out of a molehill.
I agree with you about the gap theory (which to me always addresses the discrepancies) and doesn't take away from believing in the book of Genesis. And, I like what you said regarding the gutless grace article. The author and his book that E. Prata linked was derogatory and I had never heard of him. Again, thanks. God Bless ;)
Dear Cathi, regarding my belief of a living person not getting raptured but having heard (and understood but rejected) the gospel of Jesus Christ before and then NOT getting a 2nd chance to be saved in tribulation period this is not my personal guess but written in the bible. Please read 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 and you will find the exact words about this biblical FACT which is not an idea of mine but Gods inspired word. Maybe it sounds terrible to you but who wants to reason with God how He intends to separate dispensations? There will not be a single thought of regret or sorrow for those left behind even if they were loved ones. There will be only joy and happiness with Jesus Christ eternally. God will wipe away every tear ever cried for those who then will be doomed because they have rejected the gospel in due season.
DeleteHi Annabel, I realize you quoted 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 and that this is a period of deception that God brings to the earth. But, I don't believe it is specifically saying there are no second chances for a person who heard and understood and rejected the gospel. Many will believe in Christ during this time. I find it difficult to think it will only be those who have not heard the gospel and understood it. Multitudes will believe during this time. It will be smth they will need to decide and to maintain themselves.
DeleteThis issue is controversial and I don't believe it can be emphatically stated this is what these verses mean, categorically and unequivocally.
So, Annabel, I will continue to look into this subject and in the meantime, it is okay that we see things differently on this topic. After all, some seriously believe in a partial rapture, a pre-rapture, mid-rapture, a end-of-the-tribulation rapture, a pre-wrath rapture. Whew! I think I got them all! Much blessings to you and yours, Annabel.
DeleteI agree with you Cathi. In my opinion there are those who truly rejected the Gospel and refused to love the truth, they will be the ones decieved (as the above quoted Bible verse says). But there are a lot of people I (and other brethren) call fence-sitters. They waited too long to deciding on recieving Christ and they missed the rapture. That's why witnessing to friends, loved ones and other people in general in many cases wouldn't be waisted because they will remember (after the rapture) that what we said about the end times is true. That's my own opinion based on my studies of Scripture so I wouldn't like to argue with anyone over this, I'd also like to add that based on what I've learned so far about the Lord's character that I'm sure that every single human being on this Earth gets much more than one chance to get saved during their lifetime and I firmly believe that that the Lord makes it sure that all hear His Gospel before they die and before the rapture itself.
DeleteYes, Nora! After my postings above, I read a few more things. I thought about the character of God last night after reading an article by Thomas Ice and in then seeing His loving kindness! His desire is for everyone to believe in His Son. A third angel flies through the air warning the world to not take the mark of the beast in Revelation 14:6:9. We can see this throughout the Old Testament.
DeleteMore importantly, it is today for a person to believe! We don't know if we will be alive tomorrow. Hebrews 3:15.
So, thank you for your words, Nora.
Sorry, the scripture references are Revelation 14:6-9.
Delete"His desire is for everyone to believe in His Son." Amen, Cathi! :--)
DeleteAnd I agree, nobody knows when their earthly lives ends, it could happen suddenly (just like the rapture).
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ReplyDeleteThe tribulation saints, to clarify from above - all believe (they all have oil) but they all do not maintain their righteousness. They scramble at the end to get things ready, but it is too late. (Again, from Jack Kelley article). In the tribulation, the age of grace is over. The believers left behind enter the millennium kingdom and the others are taken away.
ReplyDeleteHe makes a good point that this is not the Bride. A bride would not be banned from her wedding. It is a parable that symbolizes truth.
"The main thing is believing in Christ as our Savior. We are clothed in his righteousness." Amen, Cathi!
DeleteI've read Jack Kelley's studies on this subject ages ago. It's been a while but I remember that he indeed believed in a gap of time between the end of the tribulation and the Second Coming.
Amen, Cathi, to all your thoughts, I also think now about these things. I've read Jack Kelley and know his thoughts, and I agree with many of them. The virgins seam to be different as the bride. I've read also other writers, now don't remember the names. Many of them say the same. Jesus spoke to the jewish belivers. And the Jews had yet chance to accept Him as their Messiah, and then the last seven years would already begin in His times. He didn't say anything directly about the church and its rapture, in my opinion. This is quite logical. Therefore the day and the hour would be His Second Coming. But the signs in heavens, I think, are also important to watch, they tell probably to Israel about the coming Tribulation. And they occur in exact dates related to Israel. So, although the day and hour of our rapture is unknown, but it will happen just before the Tribulation. I think that's why we are preparing for the very near arrival of the Lord for us. Thank you Cathi, for all your searchings! Be blessed! Maranatha!
Delete"But the signs in heavens, I think, are also important to watch, they tell probably to Israel about the coming Tribulation. And they occur in exact dates related to Israel." It seems so, I agree.
DeleteThank you Nora and Alla.
DeleteWasn't the Revelation 12 sign in its entirety over the city of Jerusalem/Israel? This, to me would be hard to not see as a sign.
We are to watch also as 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 informs us. We are children of the light and therefore the day should not appear to us as a thief in the night as others cry peace and safety. We are to keep awake and be sober 1 Thes 5:6.
Cathi G. Thank you sister. Good stuff for me to ponder. Do you know why he says the delay is 75 days? Just a curious number to me, and I'm wondering where he gets it.
DeleteHi Miguel. Yes, I didn't include it - from Daniel 12:12 is the 1335 days that elapse from the beginning of the great tribulation and the start of the millennium. Since the Antichrist is given 1260 days (Revelation 12:6) and also Matthew 24:29 Jack Kelley says the tribulation ends. This would leave 75 days. Thanks.
DeleteHere my little research from my old notes, more than 5 years ago, yet before I found Jack Kelley. I made a deep research for me from different sources, and gathered some points.
ReplyDeleteFor example Mat 25:1-12, about ten virgins. The word “virgins“ is Strong’s 3933 parthenois [παρθένοις] – virgins, and virgin – parthenos [παρθένος].
1. Here in this parable are described virgins, in plural, not “a virgin”, who is described in 1Cor 11:2 as a Church, the Bride, “a virgin” – the same Strong’s 3933 parthenon [παρθένον]. For example Ps 45:13-14 – „the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee”.
2. The virgins go to “meet the bridegroom”, not to marry Him, and then “they that were ready went in with him to the marriage” (verse 10). He is in this time already married – Luke 12:36 – “wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding.
3. Here refers nothing about „a moment, in the twinkling of an eye!” (1Cor 15:52).
4. I remember the Hillari’s article about the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven, it was very interesting for me. And I think in this logic that probably the Son of Man is also different from the Son of God. Therefore the Son of Man comes probably after His marriage to rule in the Millennium Kingdom, and the Son of God comes for His Bride prior the Tribulation. But this issue still requires further study.
Thanks for taking the time, Alla, to look over your notes (from five years ago - that is impressive) and also taking the time to type them up here!
ReplyDeleteI couldn't find anything on Hillary and the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Man in my notes. I wonder if Hillary had explained this in her comments.
Also, your quote is 2 Cor 11:2 regarding the virgin - presented to Christ.
Your notes confirm Jack Kelley's discussion on virgins versus the bride. The virgins are women who are unmarried.
Thanks again for your efforts. Cathi
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ReplyDeleteHere Cathi this article:
Deletehttp://www.unsealed.org/2017/10/appointed-to-hope-bridegroom-has-not.html
And about virgins (plural) a little addition – this is not only about women, but also about men: Rev 14:4 (KJV) – Strong's 3933 parthenoi [παρθένοι] – the Tribulation saints, and as I said already, in plural they follow the bride are the "her companions" in Ps 45:13-14. And the Trib-saints will be gathered at the Trib-end, I think this is about following the bride (?): Mat 24:31 and Ps 50:5. The oil represents the Holy Spirit, and when the virgins were the bride, how could the foolish virgins "buy" Him? Acts 8:20? The Holy Spirit will not be inside the Trib-saints, as He wasn't inside the OT-saints (Ps 51:11), and they could keep Him or lose Him.
Be blessed in your reseach! Maranatha!
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Alla what are you saying ? Who are the trib saints in your thoughts ? And what is OT saints?
DeleteTribulation saints are the people who are becoming believers after the rapture, during the tribulation period. OT saints are believers from the Old Testament times (I remember so that they will be resurrected - and given glorified bodies- at the Lord's Second Coming. At the rapture, only Church Age believers will be resurrected and given a glorified body.)
DeleteOh i didnt know that, very interesting, i guess I always thought when the dead rise first then we who remain are caught up in the twinkle of an eye i didnt think about when the Old testimate saints who lived before the church age would be given glorified bodies ! Thank you for the share , what book and chapter verse does it explain the old testimate saints time of ressurection at ?
Delete"Thank you for the share , what book and chapter verse does it explain the old testimate saints time of ressurection at ?"
DeleteGods warrior, sorry, I don't clearly remember that, though I know that I've read about it several times. (Perhaps in the Gospel Books or in the apostolic letters...)
I believe we get this understanding re the OT Saints from
DeleteDan. 12:12-13.
Can anyone help me with something? Ok tribulation lasts 7 years is what i have heard alot , so is it true that the first half of tribulation is bad but nothing near as bad as the last half ? Also what about the beggening of sorrows anyone know how long the begining of sorrows lasts and how much time is in between that and the start of tribulation cause i feel we are in birth pains and i also feel we are in the begining of sorrows as well now i could be wrong but with all these prophetic signs and new news and finds in Israel and all i just feel like we are really close to going home , I just wasn't sure if anyone had tried to determain periods of time between sorrows and start of tribulation and how bad the first half is verses the second half I do know the secound half will be way worse ! I feel like we are really close with Israel turning 70 may 14th 2018 and is that passover or no does anyone know ? Thank you for any help and i love you all my brothers and sisters! Oh and did you guys hear about the shootings at that school yesterday snd then the flooding in australia and somewhere they had road slides from it and said influence was from the moon ? A channle i know of found some web cams that you can look at and tge sun litteraly turned on at 10:10 am on jan 14th and some of the other cams they had scrubbed the footage at that time strange indeed Jeff P is the YT channel for that , and Mrmbb33 channle YT has some videos of some really crazy stuff caught in the sky from around the world ! All praise to our father in heaven come quieckly amen !
ReplyDeleteGod's warrior,
DeleteI also think that we're in the time period of the "beginning of sorrows" or "birth pangs". I'm not sure when it started, either around WW2, more specifically when the state of Israel has come back into existence (or around WW1).
*The beginning of sorrows*, this period of time while the Church is here on Earth will probably last until the rapture (the BEGINNING of it, or the early period of it, I mean) and will turn into full gear after the rapture. At some point Daniel's 70th Week aka Jacob's trouble will begin but as for now no one knows if there's a gap between the rapture and the tribulation period. My bet is that there will be a gap of time. Sadly, nobody knows for sure how long that time period we call *the beginning of sorrows* will last since we don't know the exact time of the rapture.
As for the tribulation period, I think I only know as much as you. The entire tribulation period will be horrific imo, but the second half of it will be even worse than the first half, the most darkest and horrific period of human history according to Scripture.
p.s. "the BEGINNING of it, or the early period of it" by that I meant *the beginning of sorrows*. I think what comes after the rapture will be "the time of sorrows" itself, if I can call it that way (including perhaps a gap of time until the tribulation period begins, and including the entire trib. period itself) up until the Lord's Second Coming. I noticed that at times people forget that the final generation the Lord mentioned will last until His Second Coming and not until the rapture. So, His Second Coming is *the conclusion* of that 70-80 years long period of time (of a generation) that most of us started counting from 1947/48 when the state of Israel has come into existence.
DeleteYes and i do remember the final generation and the 1947 turned 70 last year and the 1948 turns 70 this may 14th and i always think well ok with the fig tree final generation turning 70 may 2018 well you take 7 years of that for tribulation so in my heart i feel from evwrything i see happening and the timing of the final generation its very likely that we will see the rapture in our very lifetime and sooner then later especially with so much hapoening i mran just 2017 and 2018 ive never seen so much happen prophetically ! But that's just my humble opinion...
DeleteHi Nora, what are your thoughts on when a generation begins? I have always questioned this - because the Word says 'when you see these things? What generation would see 'these things'. I hope this makes sense. The birth of Israel, for example, or the 1967 day war.? A baby/child wouldn't see these things? So, does a generation refer to those in their 20's-30's as to a starting point? Or, does this 'child' encompass the 70-80 years? A person who is 20 for example in 1948 would be 70 years old in 2018. Maybe I am answering my own question. Another seven years would be needed to be added as you said above, so he would be 77 years old and it would be 2025. What qualifies as these things? What would be the starting point? Thanks so much.
DeleteI always thought the fig tree generation born same ywar 1948 when they became a nation again that would put them at turning 70ish but i also see your point , I am sure of one thing Israel turns 70 may 14th 2018 and there is 7 years has to be in there for tribulation we go up before or at the start of tribulation is what I've always been told and world war 3 is so close its not funny along with global bad quakes and weather ! You know all these feast dates are for jews and we have seen alot of signs for them like the moon is that not what they go by ? Im so ready we have got to be super close this year is going to be something war and then in june july all the planets will all be on one side of the solar sytem every one of them on one side of the sun !
Delete"because the Word says 'when you see these things? What generation would see 'these things'. I hope this makes sense."
DeleteLOL it makes sense Cathi, no worries! Most Bible teachers I know and listening to and also many brethren in Christ concluded that the most significant and very first sign of the end times was the state of Israel's birth in 1947/48. That's kind of a consenus among the people I'm listening to. I've been pondering on it too myself but I also came to the same conclusion. The state of Israel's birth was the first big thing and the recapture of the eastern part of Jerusalem was the second big one, prophetic battles happening as well between the 2 events. One Bible teacher said that at first he considered 1967 but then he realised that the trampling of Jerusalem by the gentiles will go on until the Lord's Second Coming so he also started counting the fig tree generation from 1947/48.
"A baby/child wouldn't see these things? So, does a generation refer to those in their 20's-30's as to a starting point?"
I've been wondering about this same thing many times!!! :D My conclusion is that perhaps (only perhaps) the children must be around 8-12 years old to comprehend what's happening to truly witnessing it, so maybe (just maybe) the exact start of that generation was around 1940...
On the other hand... what if the Lord meant "witnessing" only figuratively? Maybe He simply meant the generation who was BORN at the time of the first sign. This is also a possibility I took into account. Hope that helps. :--)
Thank you God's Warrior!
DeleteAnd, Nora - could it mean that seeing 'these things' would encompass the time before the tribulation and also those who are living in the 70th week period. They can look around, find/read a bible, online materials , etc ... And 'see' these things Matthew 24:3-14?
Cathi,
Delete"And, Nora - could it mean that seeing 'these things' would encompass the time before the tribulation and also those who are living in the 70th week period."
Yes, I believe so! The witnessing generation will 'witness' the Lord's Second Coming too, that's the 'end point' of that generation.
I'd like to correct myself about one thing. I was wrong about the possibility of the fig tree generation starting around 1940 because adding 80 years to 1940 is 2020 and we're already in 2018, sorry about that!
Well, I aided in that with my comments on being 20 years old!
DeleteI just read MacArthur's notes on this (one of many times). He sees the generation as the one that witnesses the final hard birth pangs and ties it to the fig tree that puts out its leaves Matthew 24:32 in that it happens within a short period of time, as does a woman's final labor pains Matthew 24:14 (final birth pains end). In reading this again, he is referring to the great tribulation. At the final birth pains he is at the gates Matthew 24:33-34.
Does anyone else find it strange we have eclipse in august 21 2017 right before our rev 12 1 ,2 sign sept then in 7 years we have eclipse that makes an X on the usa seems like we are all being warned and put on notice! It makes me feel we have very little time not date setting just saying aftwr the first eclipse rev 12 then 4 cat 4 hurricanes and all kinds of damage and mary and joseph hurricanes around rev 12 and then trumps parents are Mary and Fred Christ trump , he was 70 first day in office , then he recognized jeruselum as the cap of Israel and the setting up of a war just so much can't be coincidence and lets not forget the jews openly prayed on the mount on 7- 17 -2017 very prophetic indeed !
ReplyDelete"seems like we are all being warned and put on notice" I agree! I do hope that the eclipse in 2024 will herald the soon ending of the tribulation period! We'll see...
DeleteI agree with you sister Nora think about not just the prophetic things with Israel and the setting up of Gog megog war , then you have earth slowing down they say earth quakes increasing , then we have these new A.I. robots with their owm citizenship ans religion , Trump in office very prophetic , then the world is set up for the beast system , you have Obama and otger candidates running around doing demonic and creepy things , parents killimg kids and vice versa , the rev 12 sign , all kinds of strange sky and heavenly events and signs , even non believers see things are strange since that eclipse , then we have some serious epidimics killimg kids and people flu and the starving and sick and i really think pope francis is the false witness and hes what 81 and Trump is what 71 , we had the jews openly pray om temple mount 7,17,2017 and then dec 6th Trump declared Jeruselum Israels capital , then dec 21 128 countries came against Israel very bad and then this super blue blood moon dark dark sign fpr these 128 and all others against Israel ! We shall see what happens this year my seat belt is strapped and I am.ready for.this ride amen !
DeleteThank you Nora! You answerd the questions unto me very good! And Gods warrior for all your thoughts and deep analysis! I agree with all your thoughts! Sorry, I can't now show the source of this my research, it was more then 5 years ago, I've found only some of my outlines to this issue, I have many of them, because my work is to translate some stuff for my fellow believers and my family. The outlines are easier to translate and understand, and I make them all these years, it's already more then 10 years. Very much blessings to all! Maranatha!
DeleteNora again thank you so much for all the info and the good conversation i pray your doing good , sister Alla i pray your doing good as well , I am very interested in the timmimg of the war in heaven and i wonder if it could be taking place now without us knowing and if it.has a time frame till old satan gets cast down ?
DeleteDear Gods warrior, I can't say for sure to you how long is the gap or the birth pains usw. But I would say for sure that we will know definitely before! The Lord requires of us to watch, stay awake and wait for Him just so that purpose we can learn the answers to all your questions. Really! Rev 3:3, Prov 8:33-35, Am 3:7, Rev 22:6, 10 and many other Scriptures! Be blessed with you searching spirit! This show the work of the Lord within us! Maranatha!
DeleteI'm happy that my answers helped! :--)
DeleteI think it is possible that the war in Heaven has already begun but I have no idea when will it end, perhaps at the time of the rapture (IF that is the point when Satan will be cast down to Earth, I'm not sure of the timing of that either, it could be mid-tribulation as well when he'll be cast down). I don't think we'll know that this side of Heaven either.
Dear @FAMILY in Christ, I can imagine being beaten up for what I am posting now but I gently ask you to check details BEFORE doing so. It's just that I am thinking we all have been nicely fooled with that "super blood blue moon eclipse". I want to show you why. Please watch this "MrMBB333" channel video Rare Eclipse 2018 Casts Shadows On The Ground FIRST, pay close attention to
ReplyDeletea) how unnaturally bright (white) the moon seems to be giving (!) light (instead of reflecting it from the sun)
b) how the plain white disk of the moon doesn't show any craters or structural surface features (which you can normally see at a full moon from earth with the naked eye)
c) how at 1:19 / 1:33 / 1:40-47 minute captures half of the moon entering the eclipse even seems to brightly glow from giving light of its own (which is simply not possible)
d) how there is no "spherical" impression of any shadow around the moon disk at all, it just looks FLAT. A spherical body, if illuminated, MUST show some shadow areas around. This is the normal shadow effect which is also well explained in the video behind this link.
Another critical observation has been made by "Planet X Physicist" lately but she thinks this was a fake moon for another reason. You may check her out as well if you like. I just kindly ask you to PROVE ALL THINGS. I only wonder how we all have daily problems even to look at the sun or to even find it behind all these chemtrail clouds and then - out of the blue! - there is some nice huge attractive "super moon" presented in all mainstream media discussed everywhere and suddenly NO ONE misses it on camera??! Just compare the pictures you see (or that are presented to you) with what is "normal" to look at the sky in your daily experience. I think you might find out that this event was a nice NASA hoax. THEN - and only then! - you may beat me up for telling you. Much love and blessings from Germany (where I did see the REAL moon just one day prior on 1/30 but which could NEVER have produced such a bright light like this one presented just on the next day) XOXO
Annabel, the other evening, coming home from work, the full moon (allegedly) hung at about half way up the arc in the evening sky behind a faint veil of misty, high altitude clouds. It was a quiet, beautiful picture. Startlingly so. The key word being 'picture'. I just stood there, trying to see any shadowing effect of the lunar globe around the edge of the circle: nope, razor edge. I simply looked and realized it really, really seemed I was not looking at a real image of things but, instead, a Hallmark picture of such a scene, detailed but lifeless. I wouldn't force a claim one way or another but, oh my. Again, this section of the pond is MUCH deeper than we fathom and we will be blown away when the veil lifts and we truly SEE the lies we've been forced to swim within. Maranatha!
DeleteDouble Amen, Jimbony, thank you for this picture! It's amazing! Be blessed abundantly!
DeleteThis is getting so weird, ya’ll, and the deception so thick that it even shouts UNREAL! at itself.
DeleteAfter viewing some of the clips about it,
my question is what is their purpose for faking such celestial events as the SBB moon? Now it really doesn’t matter how these things get there to me so much as long God’s Word is being fulfilled i.e. sun darkened, moon turned to blood. But I am curious as to the purposes of TPTB for this and did they fake the Tetrad on the Feast Days? The Almighty controls the what and when either way, of that I have no doubt, but what is the game on their end?
Many Blessings!!!
Hi Sheila, when you are asking about the reason of deception, I would say, that this is probably training for the Great Deseption. For example Prov 26:23-28 (KJV), I see here some picture of this training and then Great Deseption, and eventually judgement and destruction. What would you say about? This is the first thought I had in this issue. Blessings!
DeleteSheila B, great question. Alla's on to it, my guess is deception, practice, preparation, Psy-ops, making Abba out to be a Liar, confusing the Watchmen by obfuscating the True testimony of the Heavens, all sure seem likely to be at the top of THAT list. Alla D, no harm no foul, beloved Sister in Our Lord. Maranatha!
DeleteDear beloved TY for not beating me up so far LOL! :)) TY as well for your reason able and kind responses. Alla dear sister I agree with you this might be the reason as well as distraction - I just thought of NASA staff being forced to 'deliver' something spectacular to the public who finances them too in order to still exist and have some reason to work. In some YouTube comment section on the sun simulator thing I remember someone saying that we are living through the 'Truman Show' right now - that really nails it, I think! (ROTFL!) :D
DeleteHey guys. I know all of the deception is the set up for NWO to be received with open arms, but I was wondering why use eclipses like this before the trib when they will then be claiming the credit for their signs and wonders.
DeleteSo as you say, just practicing on the sheeples does make sense. Yet our Lord can use everything they mean for evil and turn it for our good! And it’s funny you mentioned the Truman Show, Annabel, as I was thinking about that very thing just yesterday. I believe that’s how TPTB actually look at the rest of humanity, like we’re in a bubble that they believe is meant to be at their evil-centric disposal. Rude awakening soon coming to a theater near them;-)
TY all and Blessings!
Things seem to be in high gear everywhere but i just dont understand thier need to do fake moon simulations or eclipses, are we actually thinking the sun and moon are both gone dark and they are using fake simulators ? Yes i admit the sun and moon something strange with both lately as we have seen totally cut feeds and the sun turning on or off and daylight at 10:10 am on jeff P channel YT and also MRmbbb33 channle has caught alot of black sky orbs that ive seen myself and he also and others have got photos of some high tech crafts in the sky close to the sun or fake sun and all these orbs and fake suns and moons and chem trails and lost cam footage their hiding something HUGE !
DeleteDear @all, some depths of the pond Jimboni mentioned above seem already to clear up: to answer the "WHY" question please watch this very timely late-breaking EXPITALY video 'Nibiru objects connecting with the MOON (!!)' 2/2/18 Cozumel Mexico at moonset time 7am Well, this is the reason "WHY"... you need simulators for both sun AND moon because sun activity is weakening (= less brightness and reflection on the moon as well) as these objects react with all others around (= ELECTRIC universe). The "red dragon" approaches, Jesus is coming!!!
DeletePS: MrMBB333's last note on the dried up canals in Venice (IT) with all the gondolas stuck in the mud made me now think of Isaiah 24:20 again - should these events now have also started on a global scale? MARANATHA!
Sorry Jimboni for my error in writing you name!
ReplyDeleteCheck out this headline from CNN money
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I see these things in the news as omens, or foreshadows. Anybody else? Don't mean to get us off track; just wanted to point it out. Four days after the solar eclipse we saw Harvey create biblical flooding on Corpus Christi. Tomorrow will be four days after the lunar eclipse. There is no science or biblical precedent necessarily. I just watch for patterns.
The 'Unsealed' brethren have seemingly just covered this with an article in relation to this FISA memo Donald Trump released. Haven't looked into that yet. But TY for the hint! :)
DeleteLets remember just after the trump speech the lawmakers train with ryan paul and others crashed into a dump truck and then ive been having a bad feeling about the EU building doesnt it look like the tower of babel and the one world trade tower gives me the creeps like that 911 wasa huge sacrifice for satan ! They are pushing alot of alien deception stuff everywhere now, I pray everyone is ready cause i think things are about to get bumpy very soon ! I just cant stop wondering what they are hiding in the sky and like it seems like they arent doing the greatest job of hiding stuff as it seems that many people are getting photos of stuff and people all have their ideas but it seems like evil doesnt even care much about alot as they are being bold and just putting alot out their in the public now without a care ! We in my honest opinion are in the end times for sure and many watchers and believers in christ our savior are all putting the pieces together but i dont think we have the whole picture yet but the pieces are all here just falling into place and there are just a few big pieces we need to get figured out !
DeleteIm always very catious with anything they rekease memoes and just like this Q anon charactor nobody knows who.it is ive heard its A.I. but either way anything released from news outlets or even especially the government we can only take that with a grain of salt ! There are many spiritual and physical battles going on behind tge scenes and in our eyes but also we need be careful of not racing after things like false things they feed us to get us looking over here while all the other stuff is happening somewhere else , im sure alot is compartmentalized and that whole antartica blow up saying members of state and popes and buz aldren and presidents from around the world are visiting well why? But at the same time we have to remember if we arent there to see these people go here and there then we dont know it to even be true, just like many things the government does or doesnt do we never know the truth but whoever owns the media or news outlets control what people see on tv YT or the web , you can only trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and everything else if we arent there or dont see then we just dont know just like sandy hook did it happen or not or this war with NK one day it all over the news then next day nothing till they ready to release what they want to tell us about what they want us to hear just my thoughts and there could be alot more to whats going on that we dont know yet but we all will soon enough , thankfully there are some YT and websites who have human contacts on other countries or states and some things like this crazy weather can be verified but we will see what happens ! Even so Jesus come soon amen !
ReplyDeleteJeramiah, this is why we’ve got to read between the lines and sift everything like wheat with the Holy Scriptures. By the grace of our Lord, we have a wonderful advantage
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and a peace that goes beyond understanding regarding them. And when we can’t quite figure it out, we have the confidence of knowing we are under the sheltering wings of the One who controls the whole enchilada:-)
Amen sister Shiela your correct amen amen amen and that's the main thing and spreading the gospel and just watching the signs and staying in the word !
DeleteGood Morning Fam. What is striking me, this morning, sitting here catching up and decompressing from another week in corporate America, is the stark, stark, did I mention stark (?), contrast between this room here amongst us and the waters I swim in 40+ hours a week. Ditto, in a different way, my time on public transpo to & from. Perhaps another form of 'scoffing' (?) where the clueless public are so bathed in The Lie that their lives stand witness to The Deception and in their own, quiet way, they scream out 'where is the promise of His Coming? Who is coming, again?' Oh, yeah, Him, sure, be getting right on that.'
ReplyDeleteFeeling pressed in round about on all sides while riding a unicycle and juggling seven balls in the air, and I think there's a monkey in this picture also, I do my best, with His Providence, to keep the show on the road while accomplishing SOMETHING along the way for His Kingdom. It seems, sitting up here on this elevated unicycle here, I see things on the horizon which the crowd does not, or do I? Which of us is truly putting on a show and who will be the most surprised when the curtain rises? Maranatha!
Jimboni, sounds like the Truman Show has gotten in your head a bit, too. This is just my opinion, big Brother, but me thinks we are just about (if not already) to the point where all we can accomplish now is to keep the Body of Christ encouraged and pressing in toward our Savior. I find myself of late talking into barrels as I try to share the Promise of His Word with those around me. I believe we are all probably feeling that surreal juggling act right now, thus we must be very near the end of this program:-)
DeleteYes! Maranatha!
Jimboni dear brother I can exactly relate to how you feel. Since I am off work in late 2016 I am put into sanctification mode and have had no further mission order yet. I mean, I felt estranged from this world even when yet unsaved (for about 40 years) and when I was awakened from the Matrix even more so (at least I then knew the reason why) - but I was still able to share the gospel somehow... At my place this has become impossible right now. Mission completed. People around are John 3:12-ers a 100% today. They don't even wonder about double sunsets straight in their face, so why should they care about heavenly things with Jesus? This is the very Zombie-Truman show to me. Or feeling like some Ford Prefect of the 'Hitchhikers Guide' shortly before earth gets destroyed (and you know already when and how). I pray for you brother as you have to move among the Matrix Zombies still daily (I keep my time outside in public short these days, just for groceries). Keep up the good faith, hold fast and fear not! Just a little while, we're soon there! Much love :)
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