Scott Clarke Explains The Rapture!
Scott Clarke put out a new teaching on the rapture this week and I finally had a chance to watch it. I thought it was excellent and think this is one of his clearest, most straightforward teachings to date. Beyond that, I think it is one of the more in-depth teachings on the rapture I have ever seen. I loved the insights about how the dispensations are ended with resurrections! Amazing. You don't have to agree with him about imminence to get a TON of awesome information out of this teaching.
Here is the video, I encourage everyone to check it out. (24 minutes).
Here is the video, I encourage everyone to check it out. (24 minutes).
Hi Brad, This comment is from Israel, where I have been on and off during the last 4 months. A couple of months ago you thought my video regarding the 5 celestial fulfillments of the 7 Revelation 12 Signs to be "interesting" and you asked me to update for further developments.
ReplyDeleteHere are the following two videos I have recently put out.
The first video is how I took the Enoch Solar Calendar and overlaid on it the events of the 7 Year Tribulation, i.e. first 1,260 Days (death of the two witnesses, abomination of desolation), the 3.5 days until the resurrection of the two witnesses, the second 1,260 days for the Final Day of YHWH, as well as the 1,290 Days and the 1,335 Days of Daniel Chapter 11. The events fit perfectly!!!!
https://youtu.be/8UEPTOVmr2I
In the second video I theorize that we are currently in a Jubilee Year and that the 7 Year Tribulation is a Shmita/Sabbath/7 year cycle which would be the first 7 Sabbath Cycle after the Jubilee. The last Day of the Year on the Enoch Calendar is the Spring Equinox, also called the The Great Gate.
https://youtu.be/m-VHzQSJGY0
Thank you for sharing Brother! It is very interesting that today I've watched 2 other YT videos as well from 2 different brethren showing calendars pointing to the 20th of March as the end of this Jubilee Year (one of them is surely about the Enoch Calendar, maybe both). Plus there's the research of Dan Matson also pointing to the 20th of March as probably the last day of the Age of Grace on his calculated tribulation timeline. All of that is very interesting! Also, I just remembered Brother Todd's *4 prophetic words* video (It Is Finished YT channel) the words were (sadly don't remember the first one) winter, calendar, heaven. Winter will be "officially" over on the 20th of March and the discovery of the Enoch Calendar also happened! So this calendar is also connected.
DeletePlus I'd just like to mention that there's a rumor circulating that we're in a leap year and this Jubilee Year will actually end in mid-April. I'm one of those who are skeptical about that. (Besides hearing some convincing reasons that seem well enough to refute a mid-April ending, I chose to keep my focus on this month and if we'll leave the 20th-23th of March behind without the rapture happening, I'll focus on Passover time.)
Here is a video I just filmed today about the Mid-East Peace Treaty that I am speculating is going to be finalized in-person when Saudi Arabia Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Salam meets with President Trump at the White House on March 20, 2018. I also speculate the deal will be kept secret until it is formally announced at a later date. https://youtu.be/bXrCFGE-CzI
DeleteThank you Brother Nick, very much! I've watched you latest video, it's very significant! I've read also some articles under your video. Many Blessings to you! Really high watch time!
DeleteNick - I have been particularly interested in Trumps peace plan delay, less so due to the timing of the rapture, but more so considering who may well step in from the Islamic world to offer up an alternative 'peace' plan in Trumps PP absence. That being said, it may well be that Trump is not wanting to have a high profile media presence when he presents it...he did the same thing wrt to the move of the US embassy to Jerusalem (it won't be for another couple of years...3 months later etc). Exciting stuff nonetheless!
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Awesome research! Thank you for sharing.
DeleteNick thanks for sharing brother!
DeleteBrandon Haynes Thanks and your are welcome! HalleluYah! Here is a video I further elaborated on what the Peace Deal looks like. https://youtu.be/Uj00kqq-Mz8
DeleteGods warrior you are welcome too!
DeleteNick, I have so enjoyed your videos and it is very interesting to see the confirmation from the Enoch Calendar. A thought occurred to me just this morning which I had not considered before. It may be completely "off the wall", but we are told "if the days were not shortened no flesh would be saved". I have always considered the shortening to occur on the back end of the 2nd half of The Tribulation and that may be correct. I have considered the absolute literal of the hours in the days themselves being shortened. What I had not previously considered is a shortening of the Tribulation because its beginning is delayed by a few days, weeks or even months. The day counts could begin, as you suggest, if a Peace Treaty was agreed to on the 20th (yesterday) that is not and will not be made public for a time. Yet, the announcement and thus the retribution because of that agreement from the Heavens is delayed, thus "shortening the time." It feels backwards, but I think that's because I haven't considered the possibility before.
DeleteI'd like to add another rapture related teaching video. A Sister in Christ is on point about the rapture in this (5 mins long) video, sharing pure Biblical truth:
ReplyDeletetitle: The Rapture is NOT a Reward! - by Kay Tdid YT channel
link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVEAH_zOQBo
Thank you Nora, this is really great! Maranatha!
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DeleteI am not entirely convinced that the 144000 were the first fruits taken to heaven on the same day messiah was. The bible is clear that Jesus was our first fruits (1 Corinthians 15:20), when he rose from the dead, however the mention of the 144000 'first fruits' noted in Rev 14 has to read in conjunction with Revelation 7 which clearly notes the 144000 being sealed prior to the harming of the 'earth, sea and air'. Why would they need to be sealed if they were going directly to heaven with Messiah upon his resurrection...unless I have missed something. We know that there can be multiple firstfruits, as each represents a particular harvest. Christ represents the first fruits of the ingathering of the believers in the 'age of grace', and the 144000 may well be 'set apart for the Lord as first fruits' for the start of the 'post grace' (rapture/trib etc) harvest period.
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Ryan, I think especially the US brethren should be much more informed about the (northern tribes) Israelite migration after the Assyrians captivity and about the true meaning of the blessings to Ephraim and Manasseh, the sons of Joseph - because this is THEIR OWN history! This seems to be a delicate topic in church, I have no idea why. I have had to research this for myself only a few months ago and learned so much about my own nations ancestors, the Assyrians (!). You will understand (world) history and politics so much better if you dig a little more into this. I can recommend the book (free online read) America and Britain / by Philip Neal as well as websites like www.hebrewnations.com or www.americaandbritainsfuture.com as well as stevenmccollins.com (just as an example, there's a lot more trustworthy information on the internet). As far as Scott Clarkes theory here on the 144k is concerned he should have known better. God doesn't mix up different denominations (church age and tribulation period) to gather his "first fruits" saints. Blessings to you!
DeleteI am terrible at knowing my ancestry (great great grandparents among the brit contingent who came to NZ in the 1800s), so need to do more study myself. Will read the book you recommend however as it is good to expand my thinking in this regard.
Deletethe 144,000 are clearly on earth in the last days (Rev 7)
Deletethe 144,000 are called "firstfruits"
Why are they called firstfruits?
Maybe they are the first saved after the rapture...
They are called after the "first fruits" feast and SACRIFICE - yes indeed, they will be the first saved and sealed by angels (Rev7:3) but they will also be killed for their faith first (Rev14:4) according to the pattern of the life of Jesus Christ who was a "first fruit" sacrifice as well (Acts 36:28). This is really so easy to understand, I'm just fascinated by the multitude of opinions to divide the word of God and flawed "doctrines" about the 144k that are actually available.
DeleteRyan, I don't understand all the discussion with the 144,000. Don't most sources believe that they are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel that will be witnesses for Christ throughout the world. This is what I believe and it seems the simplest way to view their identity. As you said, why would they be sealed.
ReplyDeleteAmir at Behold Israel said March 17 is the first day of the first month of the New Year according to the Jewish calendar. He used Exodus 16 as his basis to believe this. He believes this is also for us too because Israel was first in leaving Egypt to liberty as this was the order of things that God set up. He expects things to start shaking up.
I had to go to some of Scott's Facebook posts to understand more his comments on the 144k, but yeah, doesn't make sense.
DeleteHave just got back from being away for a week from work, so trying to catch up on posts. Need to suss Amir's ones as well, so thanks for the reminder Cathi.
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" ...that they are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel that will be witnesses for Christ throughout the world. This is what I believe and it seems the simplest way to view their identity." I'm with you on this Cathi. Moreover, this is what's precisely described in the Bible, in Revelation 7:2-8.
DeleteAfter watching the Scott's video I made my own research, as usually, about these 144,000 men in Rev 14:1-5 (KJV), very briefly and not all points, because this thema is really great. Simply according to the wording, I try to read the passage attentively and to make my logical outline about:
DeleteThis is John’s vision of the heavenly mount Sion, just after his vision of the Earth in Rev 12:13-13:18. He sees here:
– Who – a Lamb with 144,000, four beasts, and the elders
– Where – on the mount Sion, before the throne
– They are – redeemed from the earth and from among men – virgins not defiled with women – firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb – no guile – without fault
– They have – Father's name written in their foreheads – harps
– They doing – sing as it were a new song – follow the Lamb
The Lamb stands – to judge the earth, Rev 5:6, Isaiah 3:13, just before His returning to earth.
144,000 men are definitely the Jewish servants with a seal (Rev 7:3-4) who will evangelize the world during the Tribulation, because they are mentioned only here and in Rev 7.
In OT the Hebrew people were delivered from the judgement, because they marked their doors with blood – Ex 12:22-23.
The 144,000 are servants, or slaves, of God, having the mark of God’s ownership.
The new song could be (just speculation) about something new in their witness, that no others knew, or probably as elders (church) in Rev 5:9 with a new song about opening a book with seals.
The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth – probably are taken alive to Heaven – from among men in Tribulation – as fistfruits of the harvest that will follow later.
In Israel are three harvests – barley, wheat and grapes. Here is about the third, grape, harvest – Rev 14:18. Jesus is the firstfruits of resurrection of all souls saved in Him. These men are firstfruits of the resurrection of the Tribulation saints – Rev 20:4.
They follow the Lamb – as His disciples – Mt 16:24, John 12:25-26, and so on.
All other points I try to research later, or the Lord comes for us before this! Come quickly, Lord!
I apologize for not mentioning the source, this outline is from my old archive, based on many sources. Maybe there are more new studies now. I would very glad to know your thoughts. Blessings!
DeleteYou're very close. They are actually the raptured who are waking up now. I'm one of them and I know exactly what it means. They are scattered everywhere and that song is the HS stirring but may not be known as the HS. What binds them is a sense of presence and love from the divine. They are the first fruits of the Awakening of Daniel and yes the kingdom will be passed in from one to another just like Jesus intended. It's for the purification of the bride who looks a bit tawdry right now. It's all good. Just not what you expected. The first, or those who expected to be first, may end up last because the 144,000 are going to surprise us all I bet.
DeletePlease note another great Omegaletter article by Pete Garcia 'How much longer, LORD?' (3/19/18) definitely a MUST READ! Even if Pete slightly errs about the 3 churches which are currently four (Thyatira = Roman Catholics is mentioned to be visited as well Rev2:25 ) these questions he asks and the hope and assurance from scriptures he mentions are on my personal to-do-list DAILY. What about you, don't you feel the same today like our LORD Himself did back then? Luke 12:49 MARANATHA!!
ReplyDeleteThank you Annabel, I've read this article, it's very good, now think about! Blessings!
DeleteI am trying to make this paradigm known more throughout the community so that others can research and come to Truth. Please consider what the Lord has emphasized with me. Einstein has said, "people who understand physics know that the distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion".
ReplyDeleteGod is above this illusion within His greater reality. Like a helicopter pilot hovering over a parade route, God views all points along the parade. 2 Peter 3:8 says, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
Is it not possible then that the rapture could happen (from a heavenly perspective) at the same time; which from our earthly perspective, occurs at three (or more) distinct points along the 'parade route'?
"Is it not possible then that the rapture could happen (from a heavenly perspective) at the same time...?"
DeleteAt the same time as what? (Sorry, I'm kind of dense sometimes.)
Gmailblog, I think I know what you mean: Try this video of br. Steve Sewell "Our death is the rapture - Gods cosmic surprise of the ages" and tell me if I got your point. Most people completely ignore that eternity is a dimension where 'time' simply doesn't exist AT ALL. Scott Clarke might not be the only one. Blessings to you! :)
DeleteMiguel, I picked up that the point was that each of the individual rapture moments, as outlined by Scottie as closing each dispensation, from YHWH's perspective, all happen AT THE SAME 'TIME'. Thus, there really is only '1' Harpazo but WE see it as a series of Rapture Events as we are embedded in the timeline. As a comment, this semantic trapeze act is essential to wrap our limited minds/language around mutli- and higher-dimensional constructs. The question then becomes, "So what?" Even if this is the truth of the matter, what value do we achieve from this perspective? I have no answer handy to that question but in meditation it is interesting terrain to circle over and may provide insight into our waiting.
DeleteAnnabel, Hi! Among the various testimonies I have watched of folks having gone to Heaven or Hell and then returned to tell the tale, one moment which most strongly impacted me was an open statement in a testimony "23 minutes in Hell" as I recall it was called. (Funny, I just now realize it was 23 minutes and the significance of that number now.) The testifier said that, upon his arrival in Hell, the 1st thing he immediately noticed was that TIME WAS NO MORE. As I recall, he said there was an immediate and thorough sense that there was only NOW, no future or past, just THIS MOMENT forever. Again, very hard to wrap your head around but when I heard him speak it I connected to the idea he was sharing and it was very unsettling in THAT context but would also be awesome from a Heavenly perspective. Maranatha!
Jimboni dear brother, I don't believe in any of so called "Near Death Experiences" either going to heaven or to hell because of what Abraham told the rich man in Luke 16. There's much confusion and delusion about this today but we have to strictly STICK TO scripture. No NDE is truth from God ever (simply just because of Luke 16:28-31!); BUT yet it may be a message from the chief 'angel of light' or one of his minions. They live in eternal state like God and the "good guys" angels too so of course they know. I'd just be cautious about people telling about having seen/visited heaven or hell or having met Jesus or some of their ancestors, relatives or deceased friends in person etc. which is simply not to be trusted to be a divine but rather a satanic message. Nobody has seen God and will live, only Jesus has ever since crossed that line BEFORE resurrection / rapture (Exodus 33:20 / John 1:18 / 1 Timothy 6:16). If we do not stick to what Gods word tells us about the eternal state and dimension we get easily deceived by those spectacular NDE reports. I can recommend the short Steve Sewell video, he's got it spot on biblically (just the same concept in future as he describes it by looking into the past). MARANATHA!
DeleteAmen, Annabel! Maranatha!
DeleteAnnabel, I trust you know I deeply appreciate your fealty to The Word and The Kingdom. However, in this instance I think you paint with too broad of a brush. While all things gazing into spiritual realms are suspect, testimonies from those with such experiences who springboard from that experience to call out Jesus Christ as the ONLY way, as a DIRECT result of their experience, call your points severely into question (Matt 12:26). The testimony I was speaking of was one of those.
DeleteYou may find it interesting that I also had an NDE, of sorts. It occurred after a near-fatal (obviously) auto accident from which I was in a deep coma for 7.5 weeks. I say ‘of sorts’ as it didn’t involve a dark tunnel with light at the end or other common themes but was more like a dream. I consider that what was revealed was personal and has been borne out as truth over the 20+ years since and none of it was contrary to our Lord’s Teachings, Word or His Working With Me over the years.
Neither my NDE, nor the one I referenced, involve anyone ‘seeing’ the Divinity so those verses don’t apply. As for your Luke reference I find that you are shooting at the wrong target with that one. That section doesn’t invalidate NDEs, quite the opposite, in fact! The point there, imo, is that even the powerful witness of one legitimately returning from the dead wouldn’t be enough to sway someone committed to avoiding bending the knee to Our Lord. The picture doesn’t deny the possibility of such an event actually HAPPENING, in some form (visitation, dream, etc.), but, rather, addresses the outcome OF such an encounter.
Well, before we have to open a new page to debate THIS one, let’s say I agree that this is an area packed with chances to be wrong and be deceived and maybe you and I agree to not see eye-to-eye on all the details. However, to disregard the testimonies of those who’s tale glorifies Our Lord, and points solely to Him, and there are those out there, is too heavy handed and contrary, quite possibly, to the Plan Our Lord Had In Mind when He Allowed those experiences to Happen. Maranatha!
Dear brother I know what you mean but after all a NEAR death experience literally says what it means so the person is NOT dead (yet) nor has been. If there was a report needed from Lazarus or the daughter of Jairus it would have been written in the bible for us to know. But it isn't. Therefore, everything we OUGHT to know is written down in scriptures. We must stick to the bible always, as I say. Call me fundamentalist if you want as the bible alone is my fundament on that, even if I have not experienced sth alike myself. But my unbelieving mother did during a surgery: that's why she's not afraid of dying at all and once told me 'You know, there's truly NOTHING to come after death, I have experienced it, I HAVE TO know it, I was there.' which is indeed complete BS (sorry!) but she was never to be convinced otherwise then and Gods judgement or hell is just a joke to her now. That's the danger of all this NDE hype, it doesn't help to save anybody but is a source of great (self) delusion. How should Christians think about Near Death Experiences? is just one article (from many many available to research for yourself) to clarify the topic from scriptures. That's my standpoint and I will prove everything from scriptures ONLY like a Berean, not from my own feelings, emotions, visions or human experiences. But I thought you were talking about time vs. eternity (first resurrection / rapture event) so NDE was just a sidenote here I won't intend going into deeper for sure. Blessings to you! :)
DeleteAnnabel, you make a very good point and I agree that lumping these all together under NDE is inaccurate and the key is NEAR vs GONE. In both the testimonies I was referring to, mine and the other, it would be more accurate to say visions, as neither of us were clinically dead when they happened. Of course, as I am sure you would be diligent to point out, even that wouldn't refute your point, as we know, "it is appointed unto men ONCE to die" (Heb 9:27a, KJV, emph mine). I treasure you making me hold fast to the Word. Fitting in the reality of a Lord who lives also in my present tense and share that with others, and to share also in theirs, seems to require some openness to hearing Him in the breezes NOW, no? I am really hoping this all becomes very academic very SOON! Hugs, Maranatha!
DeleteTY Jimboni yes you're right, Hebrews 9:27 would have been my next thought to this LOL!! :=D I've learned much from a teaching on the creation of space and time resp. dimensions by Dr. Werner Gitt a German Christian physicist and information analyst but unfortunately it is not available in English (I would have posted it)... That was the first time I came to understand more of it, like Steven Sewell. Hugs sent back :)
DeleteJimboni, thanks for clarifying for Miguel what I intended.
DeleteAnnabel, You are correct. I watched the video and I think we are definitely speaking of the same concept. Thank you! It is the first thing I have seen that speaks to it.
The video seems to suggest that once we die physically, we're no longer present in time but are in the presence of the Lord. I have wondered if this is the case but can't reconcile how death takes us out of time/off the parade route completely. If all points along the route occur simultaneously, isn't it more likely that death is a form of sleep and, though asleep in death at our present time, we remain in time at some other point. Otherwise we would cease to exist in time altogether negating our very existence. I have to admit, I'm perplexed and the Lord hasn't clarified it for me... yet : )
Dear gmailblog, TY for your kind reply! It may seem puzzling but please always consider that ONLY our physical BODY is tied to the dimension of time (and into physical space) but neither are our soul / conscience nor spirit as both are not tied to our physical body but immediately leave the physical realm after death. So it might be confusing to speak of "being asleep" while it is just the dead disfunctional body that is then buried and perishes in time and space but in fact "sleep" is a condition we mentally associate with still being alive, with active conscience and e.g. vivid dreaming periods. So we have to separate these actions here. It's only the BODY that still "stays in time and space" physically waiting to be transformed in the resurrection as we the living timebound are waiting for the same event in the rapture now crawling along the time scale every day and hour (1 Thessalonians 4:17-18). But soul and spirit of a dead believer in Christ is immediately transformed into eternity with a glorified body at the same event we are still awaiting in time (like Steve's video explains it, but not only into past but also in future e.g. all of the tribulation saints resurrected at the moment they're being martyred). The conscience of a believer as well as of an unbeliever is fully active and AWAKE (compare Luke 16!) but the SPIRIT must be 'born from above' to join the heavenly realm (John 3:3), if not it will automatically and eternally turn into Hades and hell after death.
DeleteWe have to get our minds free from 'thinking time-bound' in these matters. This is very difficult I agree but we should try to grasp the concept and wrap our head around. We will soon enter into eternity ourselves so we should give it a try to better understand passages like Luke 16 (Lazarus and the rich man) or all about the resurrection scriptures as well as Revelation 20:5 and verse 12 that certainly implies unbelievers being judged within a (new) body but which is incorruptable not to be consumed in the lake of fire just like our glorified bodies are then immortaly fit for space and the heavenly realm (1 Corinthians 15). Our mind has to be freed from time dimension if pondering resurrection and the different "in time action" events described related to it. To everyone who has lost family or friends by death I find Steve Sewell video highly comforting - IF (!!) these persons were truly born again Christians or e.g. little children. If they were not, we can nevertheless KNOW from Luke 16 where they are now being already judged and tormented and that they are definitely not "asleep" because in a timeless realm this physical recovery doesn't exist anymore. In the bible, God tries to explain to us 'baby language' truth about a much higher dimension than ours that we are barely capable to understand. That's why it seems so hard for our limited small 3D-brain to do that. (LOL!) Blessings to you, MARANATHA! :D
Thank you Annabel. I really don't disagree with any of what you have written in your response but am still at a loss at how to sync this fact. If all of time/space is occurring simultaneously as both the bible and physics suggest, we are present at all points along the time scale/parade route from which God can look down on. The only distinction as I can see is our awareness (translated wakefulness). For example, I may wake today as a 50-year old and tomorrow as my 12 yr old self; the next day as a 32 yr old.
DeleteIf our bodies die at some point and our soul/spirit is transported off the time scale/parade route in order to be with the Lord, how can we reconcile that the soul/spirit is now absent other points (prior to our death) along the time scale/parade route?
For example: Lets say a 50-year old christian woman has a family, mother and children. Sadly, she dies. If her soul/spirit is taken to be with the Lord, is it no longer with her mother as a young child, or present at her own children's birth or any of the other points along her timeline. How is her absence perceived by those she knew?
I agree that from our perspective in time, when each person steps out of time into eternity it is one event from the eternal perspective. In reverse, when Jesus steps out of eternity into time, all points along the timeline will see it presuming that the veil between eternity and time/space is lifted. Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Fascinating stuff to consider.
Thank you again.
Gmailblog, your latter interpretation of Rev 1:7 is truly fascinating although I think Jesus will 'enter' the time scale from eternity on a single 'appointed time' only and is perceived as such then on earth. The same is when the 50year mother in your example dies. She 'exits' time into eternity on a certain point. Her soul and spirit will be absent at all then (on all time scale) as both are present with the LORD in eternity. She's not present at all in time anymore (but she will 'enter' again by ruling with Christ on earth in the 1,000 years reign - but then again incorruptable and without sin! The new body will enable transition and 'switch' of dimensions to and fro). All that is left of her in time now is a dead 'shell' of her soul and spirit which is the corrupted body that will rot in a grave UNTIL the 1-event-resurrection for the timebound "happens" on the time scale (1 Cor15:52-54): but in fact she's got her incorruptable body already in eternity. If that were not so, John wouldn't have seen all of the different groups of persons described in Revelation with proper bodies (and clothes / accessoires like crowns etc). What is besides interesting, the bible mentions what I call 2 conditions of new bodies, one is "resurrected" (Christ 40 days on earth, eating and drinking with the disciples) and the other form is the "glorified" one (from the Mount of transfiguration Matthew 17:2). I guess the latter is made for the heavenly realm only, compare as well Ezekiel 42:14 as a pattern. I assume we will reign on earth in another appearance (to natural men) than in heavenly Jerusalem.
DeleteThis is also the reason why God often states a prophecy or event XYZ already "done" in the bible whereas in time people are still awaiting fulfillment (and what makes the idea of time travel so fascinating to the unbeliever, as if he could alter his own future in rebellion to God omniscient by entering in past times and repeat to live and control his own presence). From eternal perspective, everything HAS already happened. That's what it makes it so precious and wonderful for me to know that God overlooks EVERYTHING regarding my poor self in time and he already knows the evening from the morning. It is so good to be able to fully trust Him in time as I cannot overlook what happens in the next nanosecond. I am very thankful He showed that to me and revealed it. Blessings to you! :)
OK, now let me stick my oars in the water and see if I can't muck it up a bit more. Not ready to go too deep on this one but it appears you are both moving in the correct direction but still attempting to fit the ocean into a Dixie cup. "She 'EXITS' time into eternity on a certain point."; "She's not PRESENT at all in time anymore "; "If our bodies die at some point and our soul/spirit is TRANSPORTED off the time scale/parade route"; "We will soon ENTER INTO eternity ourselves" and others like it throughout.
DeleteAllow me to quote a brilliant Christian thinker I know who suggested: "We have to get our minds free from 'thinking time-bound' in these matters." Pre-cisely. Notice that all the verbs I highlighted involve LOCALITY. Locality is an illusion. THERE IS NO LOCALITY AT ALL. At the highest order there is ONLY singularity. Space and Time are CONSTRUCTS of the Divine upon which to Orchestrate His Will towards His Desired Eternity. However, as we arise from within (as we see it) these constructs, (an essential perspective to validate them and our experience), and conduct our beings with a primary PERSPECTIVE within them, we default to them as being 'reality' and attempt to fit our experience inside these handles, hence all the verbs assuming locality, motion, leaving, going, arriving, etc. When, in the Truest sense, nothing goes anywhere or anytime in Eternity. Yes, this model is exasperating but we must use such gymnastics to niggle an understanding in areas beyond our comprehension (Isaiah 55:9). Remember, "His Ways" undergird ALL REALITY so this verse applies to our wrestling with the creation, and our place within it now and later, as well as pondering its creator.
Lastly, consider this: Ephesians 1:3, KJV: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:...
Got that? ALL spiritual blessings. When an infinite Lord says ALL, he means ALL. "Blessed": past tense, we are blessed NOW: Perfect insight to & Fellowship with the Father, Immortality with joy, health & peace, no Sin to blemish anything, no glass to look through darkly, etc.. Wait, did I blink and miss something, we're there already? "In Heavenly Places": somewhere else? Why would a Loving Perfect Father send my 3rd Christmas's Presents to my college dorm room I will be in 15 years from now? (puzzled look)
Now, set aside locality of time and locality of space. He Chose us BEFORE we chose Him (from OUR perspective). "In Eternity", (which is how we use locality "IN" to speak of "From the perspective of the TRUE reality"), where HE Dwells and where we will ultimately have SHIFTED OUR PERSPECTIVE TO, it is ALL PAST TENSE and NOT LOCATED 'ANYWHERE'. Which is to say that it is all, also, NOW. When we use words like leave, go, then, after, depart, taken, we are wrapping inadequate language around what is really happening and it misdirects our understanding. Once again, the feeble, temporal viewpoint which we currently have does not have a frame within which this 'fits' easily, but there it is. FWIW, IMHO, Maranatha!
I like what you said Jimboni. It is as the bible says ... We can with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4:16. And in Ephesians 3:12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in Him.
DeleteAnd, what about his choosing us in him before the foundation of the world? Ephesians 1:4
Awesome things to ponder, indeed.
Cathi G., thank you. (smile) good point you zero-in on there. The absolute Rock-Sound Foundation of THAT beneath our Salvation is a great comfort to me in these times, to His Glory, amen. Maranatha!
Delete*US preparing strikes on Syria, carrier strike groups set up in Mediterranean — general*
ReplyDelete"Russia’s General Staff see signs that the United States is readying strikes on Syrian governmental forces as carrier strike groups have been deployed for the purpose, Chief of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operations Department Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoi said on Saturday.
"We are aware that there are signs of preparations for possible strikes," the general said in a televised interview with the Rossiya’24 channel.
He added that "groupings of strike carriers that carry cruise missiles have been deployed" in the Mediterranean and Red Seas."
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http://tass.com/defense/994689
Jesus is Lord !
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting also in Dan's FB the article 'ARMY OF ISLAM' WOULD BE WORLD'S BIGGEST MILITARY –
ReplyDeleteTurkey hints at forming 5-million-strong alliance against Israel: "… Israel is described as “the outpost of the new Crusade and a dagger in the heart of Islam,” and “the eyes, ears and fist of the Christian World.”
http://mobile.wnd.com/2018/03/army-of-islam-would-be-worlds-biggest-military/
yes Alla - was interested in that when it came out last year. Ignore Islam (and Turkey in particular) at our peril. Amazing!
DeleteIndeed Ryan, that's what my own nations biggest failure was to let the Turkish lower class cheap workers crowds in 50 years ago - they completely ignored what Martin Luther already experienced with the Ottomans standing before Vienna 500 years ago. Another proof against 'evolution': people just DON'T learn from history but repeat the same mistakes again and make it even worse. Look at Germany today... It's doomed because of Islam creeping in. I've worked with Turkish, they're just haughty and proud (you ask yourself for what reason?) but insupportable and loud. You can then clean up behind them as they're also lazy and easily exhausted (not all of them but most). So yes I thank God to soon get me out of this Muslim Germany too...
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ReplyDeleteRegarding Scotts video, in short I can only tell his first error from comparing the tribulation "first fruits" interpreting them into the harvest pattern by ignoring that JESUS CHRIST was the FIRST IN EVERYTHING (Colossians 1:18) and He alone was the true "firstfruit" to God, but afterwards there was the church as "firstfruits of the Spirit". 1 Corinthians 15:20 / Romans 8:23 / James 1:18 . By using the wrong analogy and pressing two different patterns (harvest pattern and firstfruit imagery) together all further conclusions about the 144k must fail. Every harvest season (= denomination) in itself since Christ (!) has its own order in 'firstfruit - main harvest - gleanings' so has the tribulation period as an own denomination of " gleaning season" the same order. Firstfruit = 144k (Revelation 7) / main harvest = multitude from the nations (Revelation 14) / gleanings = living survivors of Armageddon from Judah and Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:7 + 14:2) who then will make it first into the 1,000 year kingdom as believers to be repopulated on earth together with those from the nations who survived the tribulation period (Matthew 25). Is that so hard to understand for anyone who knows his bible?
ReplyDeleteAnnabel, do you perhaps mean ‘dispensation’ rather than ‘denomination’ in your explanation above?
DeleteAlla, TY for the heads up - yes you're right this was my bad. I meant to say 'dispensation' of course. Well done in paying attention dear sister! :D
DeleteI apologize again Alice for having mispelled your name. My myopic eyes aren't the best anymore, I just wait for them being transformated too... Much love! :)
DeleteNot a problem, Annabel!
DeleteMuch love to you, too, Sis!
Great explanation. Not sure on the 144k, but interesting, worth more looking at! I know one thing though, best gift anyone could ever get is being in the church of Christ Jesus the Lord! Those who believe on Him are so blessed, beyond comprehension, yet this world beats us down.....Not for long! Jesus is coming to get us out of here real soon! Yah Bless!
ReplyDeleteFor anyone wondering about the 144,000, check out chuck misslers presentations of Rev 7 & 14. Here's a link to 14, the chapter which has been debated much more heavily. It isn't the final authority but it sure is hugely insightful and beneficial to the Bible student.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/oW-dG453Qys