Woman in Travail Coming Soon?

Israel's Next War: We Ain't Seen Nothing Yet

Hi All,

Miguel P posted a good question in the previous post, and since we are overdue for a new topic I thought it would be good to address his question in a brand new post.  To start off, lets read Miguel P's question:

I have been looking at Revelation chapter 12 again and have some questions:

verse 2 says the woman was in travail or crying out in pain. Was that represented in the constellation somehow? I have heard that this would indicate that Israel will be at war, since travail is always associated with war in the Bible. Do you agree?

Miguel... I agree.  First, before elaborating on my answer, I will post Revelation 12:1-5 for a reference:

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

Like all of us, my understanding of this passage has deepened over the last few years.   I will be the first to admit that I still do not have it all figured out.  I believe there are so many nuances and details that God has worked into this sign that will manifest in the sky above us and on earth that we will not fully appreciate it until we are in heaven.  Many many things in the Bible are like that I am sure.  But with that said, I truly believe we don't need to know exactly how it works to appreciate it or believe in it or have faith that it is true and from God.  How many people understand the complex dynamics of an airplanes, electricity, or wireless internet?  We may know the basics, but few of us know exactly how these things actually work in detail.  But we can appreciate them when they benefit our lives even if we don't understand the nuts and bolts.  I believe it is the same with Bible prophecy... and when we even get a glimpse of true understanding it can still blow us away!

Secondly, I feel the need to say that even though the rapture did not happen on 9-23-17 or in the two years following, it was correct to hold open the possibility.  I never agreed with those guys who were adamite that the rapture was certainly going to happen, to me I thought that was irresponsible.  At the same time, the people dismissing the sign outright and telling people to pay not attention to it as non-sense was just as irresponsible.  The sign was the sign, and to me, ignoring the chance that it could be a direct rapture sign was like playing Russian roulette.  We had a sign in the heavens described in the Bible happening, it would do everyone well to take notice and be ready.... that was my view and I believe many of you shared that as well.  But now, with the benefit of the last 2 years, we have learned for certainty that this sign was a precursor to and upcoming event.  Put another way, it was a heavenly "movie trailer" to the "full feature film" to be released across the planet any day now.

A movie trailer or poster conveys important things to its viewers.  It tells you who the main characters are.  It tells you the basic plot.  It tells you when the movie will be released.  And the bigger the movie the sooner they start telling you about it.  Some movies are advertised over a year in advance, before they even know the date.  It might be 2019, but it would not shock me to see a movie poster promoting a huge blockbuster that says, Fall 2020 or Summer 2021.  They don't know the day yet, they just know it's coming and they give you a general time frame.

Just look at this poster I found.  All they say is "Invading Cinemas 2020"

Funny note, this movie has posters still online saying 2019... apparently they got delayed as well, oh how we can relate! : )

Expanding on this point it would make no sense for the trailer (or poster) to come out on the same day as the actual movie... that would defeat the purpose.... It comes out ahead of it to build excitement and inform the audience of what is soon to come.  If we think of the Revelation 12 Sign as a movie trailer it served the same purpose.  It was exciting.  It gave us a preview of what would come.  It helped wake people up and build anticipation.  It drove us to study. It inspired us to share.  And now we are simply waiting for the main event which is coming closer and closer by the day.

So with that in mind, I would say that if you look at Revelation 12:1-5 you will see this pattern playing out....  Track with me here....

1. And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 

This has happened.  This was fulfilled literally in the sky above our heads right where God said they would be (Gen 1:14) on September 23rd of 2017.

2. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 

This has partially happened when we saw Jupiter representing this aspect of the sign in the heavens.  It was this 9 month loop inside the womb that helped bring the sign to life.  But in the midst of this verse we get a transition out of the heavenly sign to a soon to come earthly reality.  The woman (Isreal) will going through massive changes leading up the giving birth (The Rapture of the Church).  Isreal has undergone many significant events during the last 3 years, but we know that these events will only increase and intensfy right up to the point of the rapture...  To that point, the child will also undergo significant changes as it transitions into the birth.  Our comfy home during this church age will close in on us, the walls have begin to close in on us and soon the pressure will push us toward the exit to our new and better home.... just like a child being born.

So back to Miguel P's question...

verse 2 says the woman was in travail or crying out in pain. Was that represented in the constellation somehow? I have heard that this would indicate that Israel will be at war, since travail is always associated with war in the Bible. Do you agree?

I agree....  This was partially represented in the constellation by the Jupiter 9 month loop (which is equal to period of human pregnancy), conception comet, Nasa ultra sound etc.  Yet in the middle of the verse the line starts getting blurred from a heavenly representation to an earthly fulfillment.  The woman in in travail, pain, war....  We know this is coming based on many other Bible prophecies, yet it hasn't happened yet...  The sign showed us that it is coming soon.

For the sake of time I will by-pass verses 3-4 for the time being and get to verse five, which also exhibits the same pattern.   

3. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

She gave birth... this ties verse 5 back to verses 1 and 2.  And we know that this was reprensented in the heavens when Jupiter exited the womb.  But it has not fully yet been manefested here on earth yet (obviously).  We are still here, we have not been transformed and raptured.  All we know is that it is coming soon.... why, because we saw the trailer.  The trailer gave us a preview of the full feature film.

So with that I believe we can know the following things, which are backed up with many other portions of scripture.
1. The church age is coming to a close.
2. Israel will under-go big changes soon and feel much pain
3. A threat will come upon the earth, something that will look very threatening.
4. The church will not be devoured and in fact will be caught up safely to God.
5. Israel will then flee to a place God has prepared.

A short note on #3.  The threat describes stars being cast to heaven.  We know from Rev 12:9 that satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth.  This will also coincide with the rise of the Beast System that is coming upon the whole earth, that is why I believe that the numbers in Rev 12:3 so closely relate to all of the one-world government verses throughout the rest of the bible.  The interesting thing is that this too may have been represented in the sky last year during the draconids meteor shower.